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Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:12 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:09 am

Oforever wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:08 pm Utter rubbish. Blair told the truth all the time? Clinton was always honest too? Just think for a moment.

No you think.

Its the Right who lie, Nixon, Blair, Clinton, May, Johnson, Trump and the next one.

Right of Stalin is not right in your view?

What does that even mean you IMBECILE.

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:13 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:47 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:30 pm

Politicians have been lying since forever mate. This isn't a magical new strategy that Trump, Boris, Farage, Cummings etc. have invented

Not so. Whilst there is clearly some truth in your first sentence it's all about the level of lying. All the named a-holes above have taken lying to a new level, a new low, where they don't even give a crap if they're found out. It's a sad indictment on society at the moment that we tolerate lying self-serving scumbags of their ilk as our masters. It has never been as bad as it is now.

Mate, politicians have always lied. The difference between now and then is the presence of social media and number of online ‘news’ sites making it easier for lies to spread

Heaven help anyone who either can’t see or is deliberately ignoring the way the ante has been upped in the last few years, firstly in America and now here.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:12 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:09 am

No you think.

Its the Right who lie, Nixon, Blair, Clinton, May, Johnson, Trump and the next one.

Right of Stalin is not right in your view?

What does that even mean you IMBECILE.

He’s upset because you called his idol Tony Liar a liar.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:33 am The election of Trump, Boris and to an extent, Brexit has categorically proved that the electorate is absolutely fine with lies. As long as it’s what they want to hear.

Question is, what part did Russia/Israel/Saudi, UAE and other countries manipulation, misinformation and funding have behind the election of Trump, Johnson and passing of Brexit?

When is the Russia report out? The Tories have been infiltrated over many years just like the Republican party and NRA in America.

RoryRocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:27 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:33 am The election of Trump, Boris and to an extent, Brexit has categorically proved that the electorate is absolutely fine with lies. As long as it’s what they want to hear.

Question is, what part did Russia/Israel/Saudi, UAE and other countries manipulation, misinformation and funding have behind the election of Trump, Johnson and passing of Brexit?

When is the Russia report out? The Tories have been infiltrated over many years just like the Republican party and NRA in America.

The Russia Report was apparently going to be released after the election. Quite how long after the election, only Spaffer Johnson apparently decides (or of course, his Reg Christie look-alike puppetmaster).

Does Joe Public really care? Probably not. Because the S*n and Daily Racist brainwash them not to.

Moreover, Spaffer Johnson is a bit of a character; bit of a lad. "Lock up yer Daughters".....chortle chortle, hoo hoo, fnar fnar.

Meanwhile, how this corrupt establishment is handling the Julian Assange extradition case flies under the radar (check out Craig Murray's website); in contrast, a murderer continues to live her daily life in the USA; whilst Harry Dunn's family continue to mourn their sad loss.

The injustice and lies within this Country surely has to be at an unprecedented level.

Yet who really cares?

Much better for our media to cover who's won Love Island; whilst the Sheeple Automatons continue to post pictures of their latest meal on Facebook.

I truly, truly despair.

You forgot to mention Thor's conspiracy theories !

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:12 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:09 am

No you think.

Its the Right who lie, Nixon, Blair, Clinton, May, Johnson, Trump and the next one.

Right of Stalin is not right in your view?

What does that even mean you IMBECILE.

Can’t you read ILLITERATE IMBECILE?

Politicians lie. Full stop. Pressure groups lie. Full stop. Businesses lie. Full stop. Even employees lie.

Always been the case. What’s changed is we are now all more aware of it.

“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody,” Trump told attendees at an Iowa rally Jan. 23, “and I wouldn’t lose any voters.”

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:06 am “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody,” Trump told attendees at an Iowa rally Jan. 23, “and I wouldn’t lose any voters.”

Depends who he shoots. I reckon it’s an opportunity for him to gain a few.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:59 pm

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:13 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:47 pm

Not so. Whilst there is clearly some truth in your first sentence it's all about the level of lying. All the named a-holes above have taken lying to a new level, a new low, where they don't even give a crap if they're found out. It's a sad indictment on society at the moment that we tolerate lying self-serving scumbags of their ilk as our masters. It has never been as bad as it is now.

Mate, politicians have always lied. The difference between now and then is the presence of social media and number of online ‘news’ sites making it easier for lies to spread

Heaven help anyone who either can’t see or is deliberately ignoring the way the ante has been upped in the last few years, firstly in America and now here.

Ok mate, sorry for not being as woke as you

I’m sure you’re just as ‘woke’ and get this, you’re just choosing to ignore it.

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:13 pm I’m sure you’re just as ‘woke’ and get this, you’re just choosing to ignore it.

The only ignoring going on is by those who believe this type of stuff never went on before at such pretty serious levels. All that's happened is people are getting more savvy and recognising the crap far quicker.

Swear we had a Prime Minister who used evidence from a German former taxi driver masquerading as an Iraqi nuclear engineer in order to justify a war that killed over 200,000.

He used to win elections too though

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:28 pm Swear we had a Prime Minister who used evidence from a German former taxi driver masquerading as an Iraqi nuclear engineer in order to justify a war that killed over 200,000.

He used to win elections too though

There is blairly an ounce of truth in that.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:28 pm Swear we had a Prime Minister who used evidence from a German former taxi driver masquerading as an Iraqi nuclear engineer in order to justify a war that killed over 200,000.

He used to win elections too though

Yet in a recent post Comrade, you indicated that you'd voted for Lisa Nandy as our leader.

Have you seen Nandy's voting record relating to the enquiry into the Iraq war? Basically willing to safeguard Blair; as opposed to those who attempted to bring him to justice?

Slightly hypocritcal dear chap, isn't it?

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:10 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:28 pm Swear we had a Prime Minister who used evidence from a German former taxi driver masquerading as an Iraqi nuclear engineer in order to justify a war that killed over 200,000.

He used to win elections too though

Yet in a recent post Comrade, you indicated that you'd voted for Lisa Nandy as our leader.

Have you seen Nandy's voting record relating to the enquiry into the Iraq war? Basically willing to safeguard Blair; as opposed to those who attempted to bring him to justice?

Slightly hypocritcal dear chap, isn't it?

She abstained like RLB did.

It's easy to Google this stuff comrade

Fair comment Comrade: can't argue with that.

think all of us have told a few porky s in our time.
just saying

My favourite: "Read my lips - I did not have sexual relations with THAT woman."

You can hardly blame politicians for their conduct and behaviour when Clinton's approval rating went up after his scandal.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:25 am My favourite: "Read my lips - I did not have sexual relations with THAT woman."

You can hardly blame politicians for their conduct and behaviour when Clinton's approval rating went up after his scandal.

Maybe more people saw him a fallible human being like many others rather than some god like person. People who realise all humans tell lies.

For any of the hard of thinking who haven’t noticed the increase in ‘misinformation’:

https://fullfact.org/blog/2019/dec/gene ... t-checked/

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:24 am For any of the hard of thinking who haven’t noticed the increase in ‘misinformation’:

https://fullfact.org/blog/2019/dec/gene ... t-checked/

You believe this type of stuff is new. We are just better at highlighting it.

Of course it's new.

Also, for the hard of thinking who claim they're all the same, and they're all doing it, and they're all as bad as each other blah blah blah:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 41781.html