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CEB wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:11 pm I don’t give a f*** about the person who wrote the thread. I’m interested in the substance of the thread. And I’m not interested in discussing this issue with you anymore, you’re a lazy pathetic drunkard

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:26 pm Pinknews says the reason is they only had 18 hours to respond to the foi? Sounds dubious.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:22 pm No point in anything other than dismissal of a guy who makes it plain he’s on a WUM on this thread.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:57 pm Is your Kevin Lister the same person who was sacked as a teacher for gross misconduct?

CEB wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:11 pm I don’t give a f*** about the person who wrote the thread. I’m interested in the substance of the thread. And I’m not interested in discussing this issue with you anymore, you’re a lazy pathetic drunkard

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:29 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:11 pm
I don’t give a f*** about the person who wrote the thread. I’m interested in the substance of the thread. And I’m not interested in discussing this issue with you anymore, you’re a lazy pathetic drunkard

CEB wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:22 pm No point in anything other than dismissal of a guy who makes it plain he’s on a WUM on this thread.

So you are repeating the analysis of a gender obsessive who was sacked for repeatedly refusing to recognise the chosen gender of a 17 year old pupil. From the little I have read of his analysis I see he's making multiple assumptions and biased interpretations.

I thought you agreed that to be nice you accepted you were happy to use the correct pronouns. Seems that as part of your alliance with the far right and teachers sacked for gross misconduct you have back tracked on this small concession in the culture war. Get back on your meds you wankstain.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:33 pm ^ lol at the idea that I’m going to engage with the guy who’s admitted he’s on a wind up. Nah, you’re alright.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 7:29 am Just horrific to think under 18s have had that surgery. Is it not illegal here anyway?

Adz wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 2:34 am We might be seeing the end of gender transition surgery for under 18's as insurance companies are starting to refuse to insure doctors for it due to high levels of regret.

CEB wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:23 pmie, that we include non masculine men as being like us

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:41 am

CEB wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:23 pmie, that we include non masculine men as being like us

Just catching up on the latest few pages of this thread and have to seek clarification on this matter. I broadly agree with your views on the subject, if not your debating style, but have to take issue with this. Are you seriously referring to yourself as part of the group 'masculine men'?

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:22 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:04 pm What are the demands beyond access to female spaces? You never hear about trans people req access to mens spaces.

An important thing to understand is that the underpinning demand isn’t to allow biologically male people to access female spaces: that would be an argument that could be engaged with, where compromise could be found, and where there could be productive discussion about which spaces it is and isn’t appropriate to open to male people who identify as women.

What the demand actually *is* is that laws, policy and language should change to reflect this idea: we all, every one of us, have an innate sense of ourselves called gender identity that may or may not align with our body. What we’d think of as our sexed bodies therefore are not the basis on which we should organise society, because a person with the gender identity “woman” - which has no criteria applied to it by trans activism, no definition - *is* female, regardless of sex.
That’s why if you take the sport question for example, trans activism isn’t interested in addressing the fairness, because as far as the underpinning ideology goes, trans women belong in women’s sport because they *are* female, with *female* now meaning “person who identifies as a woman”, and so if a trans woman is stronger/faster than women, that’s simply because - “yay, this woman, who is oppressed by society based on her being trans, is EXCELLENT at sport”

There are lots of negative implications here, but one of the biggest is the suggestion that female people who know that they are female people are assumed to be less oppressed by patriarchy, by gender expectations etc, than male people who identify as female.

And that’s before you get into the sexist nonsense that is a male person’s internal idea of what a female sense of identity might consist of

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 11:34 am Looks like you won the Internet then

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:17 am

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:11 am Wouldn't it be easier if, instead of having Women's and Men's classifications, sports just had Female and Open. The Open classification is there for anyone to compete in (based on merit, of course) the female for biological females. Women who can't make the female criteria are still able to compete in the Open classification, if they're good enough.

It absolutely would. But that’s to misunderstand what is happening. The reason William Thomas wants to compete in the female category is for validation of his claimed gender identity. The open category wouldn’t do that, and so trans activism won’t support it. In every aspect, what underpins trans activism is that identity is what determines gender and sex- the body is irrelevant. As far as mainstream trans activism is concerned, in the category “people with the gender identity ‘woman’”, Thomas has a natural advantage that is equivalent to any woman being naturally strong, or tall. Even suppressing testosterone is something trans activism takes issue with, because they don’t believe any steps need to be taken for someone to be as much a woman as any female human