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Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 1:52 pm
by CEB
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:47 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:29 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:27 pm
For avoidance of all doubt. Of course the “behaviour” of presenting as feminine is fine.
The question is on what basis does someone decide that a boy with “feminine” behaviour is female?
The boy/girl gets to decide not you or your far right fellow travellers.
You cant decide what sex you are.
What Max is doing, whether he knows it or not, is rehearsing the core principle of the trans rights movement.
The idea is this:
“We can’t actually know what sex people are, and it’s rude to even guess. Therefore, sex is a social construct, not a reality. So if someone tells you they’re a girl, then there’s no reasonable grounds on which to say they aren’t”
The implications of it are far reaching - eg, the current controversy about the EHRC is because the proposal to clarify that the protected characteristic “sex” refers to actual sex, rather than gender identity, would enshrine your (correct) assertion that people can’t choose their sex in law.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 1:55 pm
by Max B Gold
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:47 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:29 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:27 pm
For avoidance of all doubt. Of course the “behaviour” of presenting as feminine is fine.
The question is on what basis does someone decide that a boy with “feminine” behaviour is female?
The boy/girl gets to decide not you or your far right fellow travellers.
You cant decide what sex you are.
Gender then.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 1:59 pm
by Max B Gold
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:43 pm
Thus concludes Max’s compelling rebuttal to my argument. Summarised: “it doesn’t matter and I don’t care, but you’re right wing if you do, whatever you think, even though I don’t understand what you think”
Convincing.
I'm not trying to understand what you think because I already do. I just derive perverse pleasure from winding you up on your specialist subject but yet you bite and greedily bite every time.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:00 pm
by tuffers#1
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:47 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:47 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:29 pm
The boy/girl gets to decide not you or your far right fellow travellers.
You cant decide what sex you are.
Woah there Adolf
Uncalled for there . Way out of order & needs a ban !!
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:02 pm
by CEB
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:59 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:43 pm
Thus concludes Max’s compelling rebuttal to my argument. Summarised: “it doesn’t matter and I don’t care, but you’re right wing if you do, whatever you think, even though I don’t understand what you think”
Convincing.
I'm not trying to understand what you think because I already do. I just derive perverse pleasure from winding you up on your specialist subject but yet you bite and greedily bite every time.
“Lol the man cares about a subject that impacts on the vulnerable group he worked with for decades”
Well done mate. I wish I was as left wing as you
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:04 pm
by Max B Gold
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:52 pm
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:47 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:29 pm
The boy/girl gets to decide not you or your far right fellow travellers.
You cant decide what sex you are.
What Max is doing, whether he knows it or not, is rehearsing the core principle of the trans rights movement.
The idea is this:
“We can’t actually know what sex people are, and it’s rude to even guess. Therefore, sex is a social construct, not a reality. So if someone tells you they’re a girl, then there’s no reasonable grounds on which to say they aren’t”
The implications of it are far reaching - eg, the current controversy about the EHRC is because the proposal to clarify that the protected characteristic “sex” refers to actual sex, rather than gender identity, would enshrine your (correct) assertion that people can’t choose their sex in law.
No. That's not how I see it. Try again focus your mind reading powers more accurately this time.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:08 pm
by CEB
I think that anyone reading the last two pages will make up their own mind as to who is communicating a clear, coherent point. Bye now.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:13 pm
by tuffers#1
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:02 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:59 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:43 pm
Thus concludes Max’s compelling rebuttal to my argument. Summarised: “it doesn’t matter and I don’t care, but you’re right wing if you do, whatever you think, even though I don’t understand what you think”
Convincing.
I'm not trying to understand what you think because I already do. I just derive perverse pleasure from winding you up on your specialist subject but yet you bite and greedily bite every time.
“Lol the man cares about a subject that impacts on the vulnerable group he worked with for decades”
Well done mate. I wish I was as left wing as you
Harold Shipman worked with the Elderly ,
Those" who work with " comments are often meaningless !
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:14 pm
by Max B Gold
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:08 pm
I think that anyone reading the last two pages will make up their own mind as to who is communicating a clear, coherent point. Bye now.
I'm going to let you into a Boarding secret.
Nobody reads beyond the first para.
Most, around 5 people, only click on the thread for the entertainment value I bring to it.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pm
by tuffers#1
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:08 pm
I think that anyone reading the last two pages will make up their own mind as to who is communicating a clear, coherent point. Bye now.
Most who read this only read the bits trying to wind you up .
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:17 pm
by Max B Gold
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:08 pm
I think that anyone reading the last two pages will make up their own mind as to who is communicating a clear, coherent point. Bye now.
Most who read this only read the bits trying to wind you up .
Come on Tufft"""""""yyyyy. Its more than trying. It's highly successful.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:21 pm
by tuffers#1
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:17 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:08 pm
I think that anyone reading the last two pages will make up their own mind as to who is communicating a clear, coherent point. Bye now.
Most who read this only read the bits trying to wind you up .
Come on Tufft"""""""yyyyy. Its more than trying. It's highly successful.
I Know , but sometimes Maxy there are easier wind ups to be had .
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:32 pm
by Max B Gold
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:21 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:17 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pm
Most who read this only read the bits trying to wind you up .
Come on Tufft"""""""yyyyy. Its more than trying. It's highly successful.
I Know , but sometimes Maxy there are easier wind ups to be had .
Not really. This is by far the easiest. I'm feeling a bit bad about it now.
After all his beliefs are sincerely held even though its part of a bullying campaign by those who are convinced they know better than the professionals who work in the field.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:33 pm
by CEB
“Lol at how wound up the guy is that we call him right wing and don’t read his posts”
Good one. You win I guess? Round of applause.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:34 pm
by CEB
There we go again, max deferring to “professionals” and revealing he understands not one thing about the issue. Embarrassing old drunk.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:40 pm
by Friend or fart
Just a few more cases of ladies & kiddies being attacked by these pervs dressed up as women & all this tosh will be dead & buried.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 2:42 pm
by tuffers#1
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:32 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:21 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:17 pm
Come on Tufft"""""""yyyyy. Its more than trying. It's highly successful.
I Know , but sometimes Maxy there are easier wind ups to be had .
Not really. This is by far the easiest. I'm feeling a bit bad about it now.
After all his beliefs are sincerely held even though its part of a bullying campaign by those who are convinced they know better than the professionals who work in the field.
Whats worse I missed a bet I wanted to put on & it put its head in front on the line ! Fuming ffs. 14-1 as well.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 3:15 pm
by Max B Gold
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:34 pm
There we go again, max deferring to “professionals” and revealing he understands not one thing about the issue. Embarrassing old drunk.
As opposed to your anecdotes. Where no experts are required. Which goes along the lines of
" I knew some adults who made a decision to become men. Realised they made a mistake, blamed their life changing decision on somebody else and I've been howling at the moon ever since"
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 3:18 pm
by Max Fowler
Can we please just let Off back on here? For the sake of the children, please.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 3:18 pm
by Max B Gold
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:33 pm
“Lol at how wound up the guy is that we call him right wing and don’t read his posts”
Good one. You win I guess? Round of applause.
Oh come on the fascist one stung like hell. You were trying to reverse wind me up on non connected threads for days, if not weeks, after.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 3:22 pm
by CEB
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 3:18 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:33 pm
“Lol at how wound up the guy is that we call him right wing and don’t read his posts”
Good one. You win I guess? Round of applause.
Oh come on the fascist one stung like hell. You were trying to reverse wind me up on non connected threads for days, if not weeks, after.
As I say, I hold you in utter contempt. If you consider inspiring that sentiment in me a win, then you win.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Fri May 19, 2023 3:25 pm
by Max B Gold
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 3:22 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 3:18 pm
CEB wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:33 pm
“Lol at how wound up the guy is that we call him right wing and don’t read his posts”
Good one. You win I guess? Round of applause.
Oh come on the fascist one stung like hell. You were trying to reverse wind me up on non connected threads for days, if not weeks, after.
As I say, I hold you in utter contempt. If you consider inspiring that sentiment in me a win, then you win.
Just utter contempt? So you don't hate me. Phew
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 3:17 pm
by CEB
When trans activists say the quiet bits out loud.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:15 pm
by Long slender neck
Good to see some sports changing their rules recently to prevent unfairness.
Fairness trumps inclusion imo. Competitions have to be fair or they don't work.
Re: The trans debate
Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:23 pm
by CEB
“Inclusion” has been reframed as an always positive term, when exclusion is sometimes completely legitimate, and a desirable fact.
In this instance, it’s a demand that the more powerful/strong/fast group (males) be included in the female category.
While in fact, including gender non conforming males in the male category, is actually an act of inclusion that asks something of *males*, ie, that we include non masculine men as being like us