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What a bunch of jokers

I hope their use of "put on notice" was deliberate, nice touch if so.

Interesting piece about the wider context of what's going on

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/youre-not ... what-comes

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:08 pm Interesting piece about the wider context of what's going on

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/youre-not ... what-comes

Interesting piece, and reflects my view that what we're increasingly witnessing is a result of the transition to a multi-polar global order. Dormant regional powers are reawakening and will seek opportunities to flex their muscles to test global reactions. Eventually, we'll revert to the historic norm of war being the rule rather than the exception. Only with deadlier weapons than before WW2.

Also, this graph is a good illustration of how the post-war world order, for all its faults (Vietnam, Iraq etc) has been a pretty good deal for most of the world population. Especially since the fall of the Soviet Union and the era of US supremacy. Those who protested American hegemony may come to reflect on the phrase "be careful what you wish for".

2005 was a good year. Any coincidence that this was the year that YouTube was launched and everybody was watching cats falling off chairs instead of killing each other?

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:37 am

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:11 am

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:47 am

Many people have already called for the same, it is nothing new.

So what has maple syrup got to do with it. Is this an attempt at really rubbish humour ?

You should relax a bit Joe. It is only Monday.

I've no need to relax, your maple syrup joke is just pathetic. Hardly suprising though

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:52 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:37 am

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:11 am

So what has maple syrup got to do with it. Is this an attempt at really rubbish humour ?

You should relax a bit Joe. It is only Monday.

I've no need to relax, your maple syrup joke is just pathetic. Hardly suprising though

You are the only one saying it was a joke.

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:30 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:52 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:37 am

You should relax a bit Joe. It is only Monday.

I've no need to relax, your maple syrup joke is just pathetic. Hardly suprising though

You are the only one saying it was a joke.

There is no other explanation of such a pathetic comment.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:32 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:30 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:52 pm

I've no need to relax, your maple syrup joke is just pathetic. Hardly suprising though

You are the only one saying it was a joke.

There is no other explanation of such a pathetic comment.

You need to learn how to think out of the box.

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:40 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:32 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:30 pm

You are the only one saying it was a joke.

There is no other explanation of such a pathetic comment.

You need to learn how to think out of the box.

Do I ? You are a

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:58 am

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:43 am

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:41 am

Making what up, your response is so puerile I do not know what you mean.

That is all the Bonios of this world have got. They confuse themselves with their own bigotry.

Fame at last! I’ve got my own little stalker .

I may have mentioned this earlier but despising the State of Israel is not the same as hating Jews. I doubt you’ll take note of that because it doesn’t suit your narrative but it bears repeating all the same, you tiresome pillock.

More name calling. You inarticulate Israel / Jewish haters sure are an intelligent lot.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:46 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:40 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:32 pm

There is no other explanation of such a pathetic comment.

You need to learn how to think out of the box.

Do I ? You are a

Because he doesn’t agree with your hate-filled diatribes?

The clowns are the ones who aren’t calling out Hamas for ramping up this chaos in order to rile up the anti-Israel / anti-semitic intransigents and condemning their own people to death and homelessness in the process.

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:43 am

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:46 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:40 pm

You need to learn how to think out of the box.

Do I ? You are a

Because he doesn’t agree with your hate-filled diatribes?

The clowns are the ones who aren’t calling out Hamas for ramping up this chaos in order to rile up the anti-Israel / anti-semitic intransigents and condemning their own people to death and homelessness in the process.

What has that got to do with Biden having to much maple syrup on his pancakes ?

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:11 am

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:47 am

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 10:32 am

So Biden calling for restraint & calling for the need for Palestine to be allowed nation state status, made you say Biden had to much maple syrup on his pancakes. Why ?

Many people have already called for the same, it is nothing new.

So what has maple syrup got to do with it. Is this an attempt at really rubbish humour ?

Just so you can catch up on hate filled diatribe Frank

Friendly reminder of the history of the region

This sums up my feelings on the matter

Hamas has to go dont they? Unelected terrorists who bring only misery.

It seems with each war or act of violence the palestinians just lose more and more territory.

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:41 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:58 am

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:43 am

That is all the Bonios of this world have got. They confuse themselves with their own bigotry.

Fame at last! I’ve got my own little stalker .

I may have mentioned this earlier but despising the State of Israel is not the same as hating Jews. I doubt you’ll take note of that because it doesn’t suit your narrative but it bears repeating all the same, you tiresome pillock.

More name calling. You inarticulate Israel / Jewish haters sure are an intelligent lot.

Morning Frankie! Still a bit unhinged?

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:05 am Hamas has to go dont they? Unelected terrorists who bring only misery.

It seems with each war or act of violence the palestinians just lose more and more territory.

"Has to go" makes it sound like a voxpops on a FanTV channel. "Hamas Out!"

its the constant negative tactics that wind me up. Hamas aaaaught

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:05 am Hamas has to go dont they? Unelected terrorists who bring only misery.

It seems with each war or act of violence the palestinians just lose more and more territory.

Hamas are elected.

They contested the 2006 election in Gaza on the basis that they were going to be proper mental and fight the Zionists and not bother with any diplomatic approaches. They subsequently got 44.5% of the vote (Fatah got 41.4%). Because of the FPTP electoral system, this awarded them a working majority. This was when any possibility of a two-state solution effectively ended (although it was already unlikely for a variety of reasons, of which Israel deserves its fair share of the blame).

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:05 am Hamas has to go dont they? Unelected terrorists who bring only misery.

It seems with each war or act of violence the palestinians just lose more and more territory.

The idea of terrorism as a global problem is a creature of the 1970s and 1980s, when first Israel and then the US persuaded themselves and the world that Palestinian defensive violence was not an anti-colonial insistence on self-determination but rather part of an upsurge of world violence that threatened our (western) civilisation.

To hear the UK’s defence secretary shout on the BBC that Hamas must be called “terrorists” is to realise how much damage this fatuous label has done.

The old British empire called its opponents (whether in India, Malaya, Kenya, or Cyprus) terrorists. The description does not end debate even if its users hope that it will. The past victims of colonial aggression in the Global South know this, even if we do not.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:56 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:05 am Hamas has to go dont they? Unelected terrorists who bring only misery.

It seems with each war or act of violence the palestinians just lose more and more territory.

Hamas are elected.

They contested the 2006 election in Gaza on the basis that they were going to be proper mental and fight the Zionists and not bother with any diplomatic approaches. They subsequently got 44.5% of the vote (Fatah got 41.4%). Because of the FPTP electoral system, this awarded them a working majority. This was when any possibility of a two-state solution effectively ended (although it was already unlikely for a variety of reasons, of which Israel deserves its fair share of the blame).

The main reason being that Israel refused to stand by the agreement they signed with the PLO to return the land occupied after the 1967 war.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:07 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:56 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:05 am Hamas has to go dont they? Unelected terrorists who bring only misery.

It seems with each war or act of violence the palestinians just lose more and more territory.

Hamas are elected.

They contested the 2006 election in Gaza on the basis that they were going to be proper mental and fight the Zionists and not bother with any diplomatic approaches. They subsequently got 44.5% of the vote (Fatah got 41.4%). Because of the FPTP electoral system, this awarded them a working majority. This was when any possibility of a two-state solution effectively ended (although it was already unlikely for a variety of reasons, of which Israel deserves its fair share of the blame).

The main reason being that Israel refused to stand by the agreement they signed with the PLO to return the land occupied after the 1967 war.

Correct. Although, at the risk of falling into the usual circular arguments on this topic, Israel's position was explainable (even if we feel its not justifiable) by its own security concerns. But I see no point in debating that point any further anymore.

Anyway, since 2014 Hamas have given up all pretence of being a Palestinian national liberation movement and are now an openly Islamist revolutionary group sponsored by the Iranian regime. And they are not alone. Other similar groups now exist throughout the region, including Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Azerbaijan and Iraq. There may even be similar groups forming in Turkey.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to see a diplomatic way out of this mess.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:05 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:05 am Hamas has to go dont they? Unelected terrorists who bring only misery.

It seems with each war or act of violence the palestinians just lose more and more territory.

The idea of terrorism as a global problem is a creature of the 1970s and 1980s, when first Israel and then the US persuaded themselves and the world that Palestinian defensive violence was not an anti-colonial insistence on self-determination but rather part of an upsurge of world violence that threatened our (western) civilisation.

To hear the UK’s defence secretary shout on the BBC that Hamas must be called “terrorists” is to realise how much damage this fatuous label has done.

The old British empire called its opponents (whether in India, Malaya, Kenya, or Cyprus) terrorists. The description does not end debate even if its users hope that it will. The past victims of colonial aggression in the Global South know this, even if we do not.

Are you including the Sykes–Picot Agreement as a form of colonial aggression?