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Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:44 pm

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:41 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:33 pm

News at 10 for those who want to know ITN .

Hospitals have been suspending operations for two years. Please tell me how Boris could have done anymore with a virus that spread around the country before we knew it was here. Like he says , we can move operations to other areas. Perhaps the people of Manchester should spend more time adhering to the rules

Do you really need someone to post, yet again, the long, long list of ways in which this government have f*cked up and f*cked us over?

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:13 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:44 pm

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:41 pm

Hospitals have been suspending operations for two years. Please tell me how Boris could have done anymore with a virus that spread around the country before we knew it was here. Like he says , we can move operations to other areas. Perhaps the people of Manchester should spend more time adhering to the rules

Do you really need someone to post, yet again, the long, long list of ways in which this government have f*cked up and f*cked us over?

Same old Labour sad nonsense. I almost wish Labour had been burdened with this world problem. But then again , I am alive , so perhaps not

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:13 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:44 pm

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:41 pm

Hospitals have been suspending operations for two years. Please tell me how Boris could have done anymore with a virus that spread around the country before we knew it was here. Like he says , we can move operations to other areas. Perhaps the people of Manchester should spend more time adhering to the rules

Do you really need someone to post, yet again, the long, long list of ways in which this government have f*cked up and f*cked us over?

Same old Labour sad nonsense. I almost wish Labour had been burdened with this world problem. But then again , I am alive , so perhaps not

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:43 pm

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:35 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:05 pm

coronavirus.data.gov.uk says so

Which is the same as it has been for months. No increase. Omicron has had no impact on death rates. Around 40 deaths yesterday. Lower than the 150 plus 2-3 weeks ago.

No its notGeorgie , its up 50.1% on the previous 7 days !! 909 covid deaths in the last 7 days !

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:26 pm

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:56 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:51 pm

Been posted multiple times on this thread. Just look back and you'll find it.

What BJ stammering out that 90% of people hadn't been boosted, which was, at best a manipulation of statistics and a time of a national emergency, and at worst, a lie (as stated in Curry's link above).

Nope. The percentage of unvaccinated people in hospital varies over time. The BMJ link posted by Curry points this out as it's data (for ICU patients) only goes as far as 15th December and Omicron has advanced a lot since then. There is also confusion about what is "unvaccinated". Some might say this means having no jabs at all (the literal meaning) or not having the booster jab (as it seems widely accepted that protection from jabs 1 & 2 has waned over time).

For overall "hospital admission" for Omicron patients - not necessarily progressing to needing ICU - the below quote is taken from the BMJ article:

The latest figures show that in the week to 29 December 2021 a total of 815 people with confirmed omicron infection were admitted from an emergency department to hospitals in England. Of these, 74% had not had three doses of vaccine—including 25% (206) who were unvaccinated, 6% (49) who had received one dose, and 43% (352) who had received two doses. Twenty three percent (189) had received a booster dose, and the remainder were unknown or had had their first dose less than three weeks ago.4

It's a complex calculation, but it could be argued that anyone who hasn't had the booster is not "fully vaccinated". It could also be argued that people who aren't fully vaccinated, and who subsequently need hospital admission are complicit in adding unnecessary pressure on the NHS, which is, I think, the point Sid was making.

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:50 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:43 pm

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:35 pm

Which is the same as it has been for months. No increase. Omicron has had no impact on death rates. Around 40 deaths yesterday. Lower than the 150 plus 2-3 weeks ago.

No its notGeorgie , its up 50.1% on the previous 7 days !! 909 covid deaths in the last 7 days !

I think he means 150 deaths per day. And could you kindly post the link to where it says deaths are up 50% because I can't find it.

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:59 am That’s an anomaly caused by erratic reporting of deaths over the Holiday period. If you look at the average deaths rates have remained stable

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:04 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:59 am That’s an anomaly caused by erratic reporting of deaths over the Holiday period. If you look at the average deaths rates have remained stable

But what i stated is correct & backed up on the govt ' site ?

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:04 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:59 am That’s an anomaly caused by erratic reporting of deaths over the Holiday period. If you look at the average deaths rates have remained stable

But what i stated is correct & backed up on the govt ' site ?

That graph is of when deaths were reported, not when they occurred.

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:02 pm ONS: Covid-19 deaths fall in England and Wales
Tim Vizard
Consultant statistician, BBC News
The number of deaths involving Covid-19 in England and Wales fell in the week ending 24 December, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics.

The number of deaths involving Covid decreased to 585, down from 753 in the previous week.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:10 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:06 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:04 pm

But what i stated is correct & backed up on the govt ' site ?

That graph is of when deaths were reported, not when they occurred.

the graph is not the only thing on the page , 909 deaths in last 7 days up 51.8 % . that info is correct as stated ?

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:25 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:10 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:06 pm

That graph is of when deaths were reported, not when they occurred.

the graph is not the only thing on the page , 909 deaths in last 7 days up 51.8 % . that info is correct as stated ?

Yes, if you are looking at the date they were reported

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:30 pm

Story of O wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:25 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:10 pm

the graph is not the only thing on the page , 909 deaths reported in last 7 days up 51.8 % . that info is correct as stated ?

Yes, if you are looking at the date they were reported

Ta !

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:13 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:44 pm

George M wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:41 pm

Hospitals have been suspending operations for two years. Please tell me how Boris could have done anymore with a virus that spread around the country before we knew it was here. Like he says , we can move operations to other areas. Perhaps the people of Manchester should spend more time adhering to the rules

Do you really need someone to post, yet again, the long, long list of ways in which this government have f*cked up and f*cked us over?

Same old Labour sad nonsense. I almost wish Labour had been burdened with this world problem. But then again , I am alive , so perhaps not

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:28 pm I'm starting to think that George may have been talking out of his a**s.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:40 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:28 pm I'm starting to think that George may have been talking out of his a**s.

Only just starting?