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Double jab only about 40% effective against Omicron, even less so if you had your jabs some time ago or AZ (hello old folks x2)

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:38 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:18 pm A London ICU doctor said something similar before Christmas, but he was probably just scaremongering too...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/h ... s-25761110

Unvaccinated is very different to not boosted. Unless it’s not and being double jabbed means nothing now?

Yes, they are different (which is why I said "said something similar" and not "said the same thing").

But it's still scaremongering.

Hospital admissions up by a third based on the latest rolling seven day average.

Crapballs

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:23 pm Hospital admissions up by a third based on the latest rolling seven day average.

Crapballs

But I have seen from 3 different sources all MSM that this is because 80% of the increase is patients going in for other procedures with no symptoms. The statistics need to show this information so that we can understand what the true figures are.

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:57 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:23 pm Hospital admissions up by a third based on the latest rolling seven day average.

Crapballs

But I have seen from 3 different sources all MSM that this is because 80% of the increase is patients going in for other procedures with no symptoms. The statistics need to show this information so that we can understand what the true figures are.

Yep, there's also the fact I was reading that over the Xmas period people were discharged from hospital later than they would ordinarily have been, so I guess this also impacts on the totals.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:36 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:30 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:45 pm So lying and misinformation is OK

The line is fringe conspiracies

Good to know

Thats not right, but Omicron is kind of new isnt it so I will be a bit more forgiving when people post bollocks about it.

I mean, I'd suggest that because it's new and infecting upwards of 150k+ people a day it might be wise to suggest to people who habitually "post bollocks" or as it's commonly known, lie, that it isn't really on.... Instead of green lighting it

Stop being hysterical. You seem happy to spout nonsense about my posts whilst completely ignoring the facts.

1. Despite numbers being high , as we were told they would be , they are not doubling every two days as we thought they would be.
2. It was the South African scientist who first diagnosed this who said that it was a mild variant with cold like symptoms.
3. As time has progressed , uk scientists and the government are in agreement.
4. Rather than increasing restrictions , many countries are reducing them , including South Africa .
5. Many countries , including us , have reduced isolation periods because symptoms are less serious.

I prefer to be positive about this. You prefer to be negative.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:53 pm

George M wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:38 pm We are simply travelling around in circles now. If you can find any views that were mine and mine alone , that were dangerous or lies then I will happily take the ban.

you went out to work everyday untested from the start of the pandemic. That alone was highly dangerous !

Stop being hysterical. There was no requirement to test. Stop ignoring the facts .

George M wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:38 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:22 pm If we're going to accept that people can leave it to personal responsibility, just let people go out and live their lives.

Then we're saying they have a right to infect and possibly kill other people, then, why stop there?

Drink drivers have the right to go out and possibly harm people because it's their right to live their lives how they want?

That’s just not true. I go out with a cold and I probably have with flu. I suspect I have been out whilst having covid. I can’t be sure because although I am 63 , I don’t know if I have had Covid. I am not staying indoors through fear of infecting someone who may die because of my actions. That’s just not how life works.Of course that’s not my intention. But it’s ridiculous to expect anyone to stay indoors because of the off chance that they may be responsible for someone’s death.

There'that UGLY personal responsibility bit again !!

George M wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:53 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:53 pm

George M wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:38 pm We are simply travelling around in circles now. If you can find any views that were mine and mine alone , that were dangerous or lies then I will happily take the ban.

you went out to work everyday untested from the start of the pandemic. That alone was highly dangerous !

Stop being hysterical. There was no requirement to test. Stop ignoring the facts .

my mates son worked through the pandemic, every evening there was a themometer out in the porch ,which got used before he was allowed in the house . personal responsibility right there !!

George M wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:53 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:53 pm

George M wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:38 pm We are simply travelling around in circles now. If you can find any views that were mine and mine alone , that were dangerous or lies then I will happily take the ban.

you went out to work everyday untested from the start of the pandemic. That alone was highly dangerous !

Stop being hysterical. There was no requirement to test. Stop ignoring the facts .

Anecdotal comment from my sister in law, who is a cancer nurse at a major London hospital, is that the staff are catching Covid and going down like flies with up to 60% isolating. This is also translating into vulnerable patients catching Covid whilst receiving treatment probably due to inadequate PPE not able to contain Omicron. They have already lost one patient to Covid and now two others in ITU from her ward alone. She is now back at work after having Covid, initial LFT was negative although not ill she knew she had been exposed and guess what... PCR came back positive!

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:43 pm Double jab only about 40% effective against Omicron, even less so if you had your jabs some time ago or AZ (hello old folks x2)

didnt most old folks get pfizer & moderna ?AZ was the CHEAP option for the masses not the old or the vulnerable .

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:50 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:43 pm Double jab only about 40% effective against Omicron, even less so if you had your jabs some time ago or AZ (hello old folks x2)

didnt most old folks get pfizer & moderna ?AZ was the CHEAP option for the masses not the old or the vulnerable .

Among my peer-group around here it seems to have been pot luck which of the vaccines you got. I got pfizer and Mrs Spike got AZ. Among friends it was about a 50/50 split. I think it was just a case of which version was in stock at the time.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:15 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:50 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:43 pm Double jab only about 40% effective against Omicron, even less so if you had your jabs some time ago or AZ (hello old folks x2)

didnt most old folks get pfizer & moderna ?AZ was the CHEAP option for the masses not the old or the vulnerable .

Among my peer-group around here it seems to have been pot luck which of the vaccines you got. I got pfizer and Mrs Spike got AZ. Among friends it was about a 50/50 split. I think it was just a case of which version was in stock at the time.

Same - Mrs Bonio and myself got AZ for doses 1 & 2 - then Pfizer for the booster

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:23 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:15 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:50 pm

didnt most old folks get pfizer & moderna ?AZ was the CHEAP option for the masses not the old or the vulnerable .

Among my peer-group around here it seems to have been pot luck which of the vaccines you got. I got pfizer and Mrs Spike got AZ. Among friends it was about a 50/50 split. I think it was just a case of which version was in stock at the time.

Same - Mrs Bonio and myself got AZ for doses 1 & 2 - then Pfizer for the booster

Same here AZ then Pfizer

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:15 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:50 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:43 pm Double jab only about 40% effective against Omicron, even less so if you had your jabs some time ago or AZ (hello old folks x2)

didnt most old folks get pfizer & moderna ?AZ was the CHEAP option for the masses not the old or the vulnerable .

Among my peer-group around here it seems to have been pot luck which of the vaccines you got. I got pfizer and Mrs Spike got AZ. Among friends it was about a 50/50 split. I think it was just a case of which version was in stock at the time.

when i say old i mean 65 n above spike ,i thought yow were younger than that .

I am ! So's Mrs Spike. The peer group ranges from 50 - 75 and we couldn't see any pattern in who got which version. There didn't seem any rhyme or reason to it.

Mrs Gold got two Pfizers and the timing of them can be tracked to the onset of Myasthenia Gravis symptoms.

Seems it is a thing with flu and Hepititis vaccines too but the numbers are minuscule.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:53 pm I am ! So's Mrs Spike. The peer group ranges from 50 - 75 and we couldn't see any pattern in who got which version. There didn't seem any rhyme or reason to it.

interesting the 65 +ers i know as well as the vunerables i know virtually all gotpfizer n moderna . a very high age content and spread worldwide may account for it .

189k cases reported again, with hospitalisations up by 49 over the past 7 days%

Goes back to that point about how many of these are due to being admitted for something else and testing positive or catching it while in hospital.

I read that two/thirds are patients Ill with Covid. The rest are in for something else but also have Covid

FFS. If Covaids wasn't enough, we now have Flurona to deal with.

More scaremongering? I read it as someone having both at the same time. Will they merge a form a super variant? Don’t think they know yet

Hospital admissions at there highest since January 2021.

I have been in Spain since Boxing Day and there is a very relaxed feel about Omicron. They have had the benefit of other countries experiencing this variant first. The press coverage is more sensible and less panicked. You are supposed to wear masks in the street. I would say 50% do always , 50% where in close proximity to others. We are supposed to show vaccine passports to enter restaurants or bars . I haven’t been asked to show them anywhere. Nobody is adhering to that particular requirement. Spanish people I have spoken to don’t talk about Omicron. They have it in their head that it is nothing to worry about.

spain registers new high covid rate , 161,000