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Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:53 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:47 am Lord Lebedev been sanctioned?

From the Gov link I posted: "Dmitri Lebedev is Chairman of the Board of Directors of Bank Rossiya"

According to Belton. This Bank was controlled by the KGB and used to fund activities against the West during the Cold War. These days it is a full blown asset of the kleptocrats.

A principled defence of Corbyn on Russia by a proper journalist:


https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/r ... -oligarchs

But he had this hat, you see...

This all could put the World Cup, due to start in 8 months in jeopardy.
Shame

Oborne has a history of denying Putin and his allies war crimes while criticising NATO

A defence of Corbyn is as surprising as finding out water is wet

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:03 pm Oborne has a history of denying Putin and his allies war crimes while criticising NATO

A defence of Corbyn is as surprising as finding out water is wet

Doesn't mean it's incorrect though.

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:13 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:03 pm Oborne has a history of denying Putin and his allies war crimes while criticising NATO

A defence of Corbyn is as surprising as finding out water is wet

Doesn't mean it's incorrect though.

No I'm sure he's bang on the money if you're an anti-NATO wars crimes denier, no doubt.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:21 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:13 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:03 pm Oborne has a history of denying Putin and his allies war crimes while criticising NATO

A defence of Corbyn is as surprising as finding out water is wet

Doesn't mean it's incorrect though.

No I'm sure he's bang on the money if you're an anti-NATO wars crimes denier, no doubt.

Don’t be lazy - point out what he’s got wrong in the article, with links to support your assumptions

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:28 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:21 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:13 pm

Doesn't mean it's incorrect though.

No I'm sure he's bang on the money if you're an anti-NATO wars crimes denier, no doubt.

Don’t be lazy - point out what he’s got wrong in the article, with links to support your assumptions

You misunderstand my point

My contention was the description of Oborne as a principled journalist given his history of shilling and that I don't find it at all surprising he's written a puff piece in support of an independent member of Parliament.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:31 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:28 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:21 pm

No I'm sure he's bang on the money if you're an anti-NATO wars crimes denier, no doubt.

Don’t be lazy - point out what he’s got wrong in the article, with links to support your assumptions

You misunderstand my point

My contention was the description of Oborne as a principled journalist given his history of shilling and that I don't find it at all surprising he's written a puff piece in support of an independent member of Parliament.

Struggle away. Attack the man not the points he made. Surely it must be a surprise that a right wing journalist is laying out the FACTS that Corbyn has been calling out Putin for over 20 years whilst the Tories, Mandelson etc have been corrupted by them.

This is interesting as regards understanding the military issues:

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:48 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:31 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:28 pm

Don’t be lazy - point out what he’s got wrong in the article, with links to support your assumptions

You misunderstand my point

My contention was the description of Oborne as a principled journalist given his history of shilling and that I don't find it at all surprising he's written a puff piece in support of an independent member of Parliament.

Struggle away. Attack the man not the points he made. Surely it must be a surprise that a right wing journalist is laying out the FACTS that Corbyn has been calling out Putin for over 20 years whilst the Tories, Mandelson etc have been corrupted by them.

Not really, opposition to NATO/Assad apologism is found on both the left and right.

Glad I could break that news to you

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:31 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:28 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:21 pm

No I'm sure he's bang on the money if you're an anti-NATO wars crimes denier, no doubt.

Don’t be lazy - point out what he’s got wrong in the article, with links to support your assumptions

You misunderstand my point

My contention was the description of Oborne as a principled journalist given his history of shilling and that I don't find it at all surprising he's written a puff piece in support of an independent member of Parliament.

No misunderstanding on my part thank you. It seems you’re simply rubbishing the article on the basis that you don’t like the writer. I mistakenly thought you’d be able to point out what he got wrong in this specific article.

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:22 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:31 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:28 pm

Don’t be lazy - point out what he’s got wrong in the article, with links to support your assumptions

You misunderstand my point

My contention was the description of Oborne as a principled journalist given his history of shilling and that I don't find it at all surprising he's written a puff piece in support of an independent member of Parliament.

No misunderstanding on my part thank you. It seems you’re simply rubbishing the article on the basis that you don’t like the writer. I mistakenly thought you’d be able to point out what he got wrong in this specific article.

You misunderstand, I'm not seeking to comment on the article, merely the OP assertion that the author is a principled journalist, hopefully you understand this at the third time of trying.

You clearly want an argument about the article though so I suggest you have a look at Twitter where you can find people of similar IQ to shout at.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:45 am www.gov.uk/government/news/abramovich-a ... nction-hit

In addition to Roman Abramovich, Oleg Deripaska, Igor Sechin, Andrey Kostin, Alexei Miller, Nikolai Tokarev, and Dmitri Lebedev have also been sanctioned and their assets have been frozen. Estimated $19.7 billion hit.

I wonder if any of them are donors to the Tory party?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:52 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:48 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:31 pm

You misunderstand my point

My contention was the description of Oborne as a principled journalist given his history of shilling and that I don't find it at all surprising he's written a puff piece in support of an independent member of Parliament.

Struggle away. Attack the man not the points he made. Surely it must be a surprise that a right wing journalist is laying out the FACTS that Corbyn has been calling out Putin for over 20 years whilst the Tories, Mandelson etc have been corrupted by them.

Not really, opposition to NATO/Assad apologism is found on both the left and right.

Glad I could break that news to you

Squirm, squirm. Still not acknowledging the FACTS.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:24 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:22 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 5:31 pm

You misunderstand my point

My contention was the description of Oborne as a principled journalist given his history of shilling and that I don't find it at all surprising he's written a puff piece in support of an independent member of Parliament.

No misunderstanding on my part thank you. It seems you’re simply rubbishing the article on the basis that you don’t like the writer. I mistakenly thought you’d be able to point out what he got wrong in this specific article.

You misunderstand, I'm not seeking to comment on the article, merely the OP assertion that the author is a principled journalist, hopefully you understand this at the third time of trying.

You clearly want an argument about the article though so I suggest you have a look at Twitter where you can find people of similar IQ to shout at.

You're embarrassing yourself now. Best to just stop. My initial comment was that your opinion of the writer didn't mean the article was incorrect. You could have just agreed but instead chose to reply with "No I'm sure he's bang on the money if you're an anti-NATO wars crimes denier, no doubt."

Given you're incapable of pointing out any inaccuracies in the article, and you chose to ridicule it by expressing doubts about the author, and then about any reader who might find his article to be an accurate assessment, then I believe you're just digging a hole for yourself. Shame, you used to post intelligently on occasions.

I was actually just pointing out that posting a Putin/Assad apologists work on this thread isn't it.

Just like Max posting someone expelled from Labour for racism who was spreading Kremlin talking points on this thread isn't it either.

I get you guys like the blogs that do the "Jeremy was right" schtik and have a desire to argue with disbelievers on the Internet about them (hence why I suggest Twitter and not me).

I imagine they've got a few years of legs until the nostalgia wanes.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:41 pm I was actually just pointing out that posting a Putin/Assad apologists work on this thread isn't it.

Just like Max posting someone expelled from Labour for racism who was spreading Kremlin talking points on this thread isn't it either.

I get you guys like the blogs that do the "Jeremy was right" schtik and have a desire to argue with disbelievers on the Internet about them (hence why I suggest Twitter and not me).

I imagine they've got a few years of legs until the nostalgia wanes.

Got me totally wrong mate. I'm not a Corbyn supporter. That doesn't mean I don't think he got a lot of stuff right though. It's called a balanced view. Try it sometime.

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:43 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 6:41 pm I was actually just pointing out that posting a Putin/Assad apologists work on this thread isn't it.

Just like Max posting someone expelled from Labour for racism who was spreading Kremlin talking points on this thread isn't it either.

I get you guys like the blogs that do the "Jeremy was right" schtik and have a desire to argue with disbelievers on the Internet about them (hence why I suggest Twitter and not me).

I imagine they've got a few years of legs until the nostalgia wanes.

Got me totally wrong mate. I'm not a Corbyn supporter. That doesn't mean I don't think he got a lot of stuff right though. It's called a balanced view. Try it sometime.

Point of information neither me or the author of the article is or has ever been a Corbyn supporter.

The interesting point of the article is that Corbyn has been calling out Putin and other human rights atrocities for over 20 years but MSM reporting would have people believe the opposite.

In contrast the people corrupted by Putin are the Tories and the Labour establishment.

Currywurst has embarrassed himself badly with an Ad Hominen attack on the messenger.

Pointing out war crime deniers is never embarrassing

Amplifying them on the other hand.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:37 pm Pointing out war crime deniers is never embarrassing

Amplifying them on the other hand.

Desperado. Still shooting the messenger and missing the point by miles. It must really hurt that Corbyn has been right all along.

Always had lots of time for Corbyn myself.

While I always voted for him and regularly post articles/start threads praising him - I'm not nor have ever been, a Corbyn supporter.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:58 pm While I always voted for him and regularly post articles/start threads praising him - I'm not nor have ever been, a Corbyn supporter.

Here is the news. It is possible to do the above and still NOT be a Corbyn supporter.