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Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:39 am**

Here is a contrast: Germany has closed the doors to UK travellers (and travellers from many other countries). German nationals who live abroad and registered German residents can arrive but will have to quarantine for 14 days. This is based on assessment from scientists at the Robert Koch institute.

In England it's about party politics.
To keep himself in the job (for now) Johnson has to keep the extremists onside and they are not too bothered about the lives of minions . Profit and power is all that matters. So they demand 'business as usual'.

As human beings, we all need hope for better things. So the current media headlines are about "all is well" (just don't think about tomorrow!).
So for the next few days there won't be an extension of highlighting Johnson's failures. People will be just so grateful that until Boxing Day they can see their family.

And then maybe they won't be too bothered if the rate of infection goes mega?

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:32 am**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:40 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:18 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:55 pm We should base our policies on the word of one doctor instead of being cautious and waiting for data?
No , not just one doctor, she is one of many . Data is also implying that it’s a mild illness .
5 million + deaths ,wont be to many more mild illnesses before we're all wiped out !

How many deaths worldwide from the Omicron variant ?

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:37 am**

E10EU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:39 am Here is a contrast: Germany has closed the doors to UK travellers (and travellers from many other countries). German nationals who live abroad and registered German residents can arrive but will have to quarantine for 14 days. This is based on assessment from scientists at the Robert Koch institute.

In England it's about party politics.
To keep himself in the job (for now) Johnson has to keep the extremists onside and they are not too bothered about the lives of minions . Profit and power is all that matters. So they demand 'business as usual'.

As human beings, we all need hope for better things. So the current media headlines are about "all is well" (just don't think about tomorrow!).
So for the next few days there won't be an extension of highlighting Johnson's failures. People will be just so grateful that until Boxing Day they can see their family.

And then maybe they won't be too bothered if the rate of infection goes mega?

Most of us have already been jabbed 2 or 3 times . No country can carry on going into lockdowns forever. Incidentally, all my family have been jabbed 3 times each. How many more jabs are we expected to take ?

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:30 am**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:32 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:40 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:18 am

No , not just one doctor, she is one of many . Data is also implying that it’s a mild illness .
5 million + deaths ,wont be to many more mild illnesses before we're all wiped out !
How many deaths worldwide from the Omicron variant ?

5.2 million covid deaths, its a bit like saying minimal deaths from the 1992 leyton flu whilst ignoring 1918 spanis flu & its 50+ millio deaths, any strain has the possibility to wipe us all out, mild illness or not.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:43 am**

If it is milder like a cold then I would like to know how many died having had a common cold in the previous 28 days.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:47 am**

The front page of the Sun makes for interesting reading today .

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:51 am**

Stamford O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:43 am If it is milder like a cold then I would like to know how many died having had a common cold in the previous 28 days.

I’m not sure anyone said it’s likes the common cold. It’s milder than delta but still dangerous, especially to certain s groups of people.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:21 am**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:18 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:55 pm We should base our policies on the word of one doctor instead of being cautious and waiting for data?
No , not just one doctor, she is one of many . Data is also implying that it’s a mild illness .

Impossible for any doctor to know so early on, so their opinions count for nothing.

the risk of any attendance at hospital was 20% to 25% lower with Omicron versus Delta, and 40%-45% lower when the visit resulted in admission for at least one night. For the small percentage of people who had neither been previously infected with Covid nor vaccinated, the risk of hospitalisation was about 11% lower for Omicron versus Delta

Considering Omicron is so much more transmissible, the figures above may not be enough.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:22 am**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:47 am The front page of the Sun makes for interesting reading today .

I doubt that very much. Prefer the Beano as a comic

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:33 am**

RedDwarf 1881 M wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:47 am The front page of the Sun makes for interesting reading today .

Made by scumbags, read by idiots.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:35 am**

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:21 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:18 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:55 pm We should base our policies on the word of one doctor instead of being cautious and waiting for data?
No , not just one doctor, she is one of many . Data is also implying that it’s a mild illness .
Impossible for any doctor to know so early on, so their opinions count for nothing.

the risk of any attendance at hospital was 20% to 25% lower with Omicron versus Delta, and 40%-45% lower when the visit resulted in admission for at least one night. For the small percentage of people who had neither been previously infected with Covid nor vaccinated, the risk of hospitalisation was about 11% lower for Omicron versus Delta

Considering Omicron is so much more transmissible, the figures above may not be enough.

Agreed, and this is the crux of it and what some either fail to understand or don’t want to consider. More people will get Omicron - so even a much lower percentage of hospitalisation could still swamp the NHS. Clearly, this needs to be avoided.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:51 am**

RedDwarf 1881 M wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:37 am
E10EU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:39 am Here is a contrast: Germany has closed the doors to UK travellers (and travellers from many other countries). German nationals who live abroad and registered German residents can arrive but will have to quarantine for 14 days. This is based on assessment from scientists at the Robert Koch institute.

In England it's about party politics.
To keep himself in the job (for now) Johnson has to keep the extremists onside and they are not too bothered about the lives of minions . Profit and power is all that matters. So they demand 'business as usual'.

As human beings, we all need hope for better things. So the current media headlines are about "all is well" (just don't think about tomorrow!).
So for the next few days there won't be an extension of highlighting Johnson's failures. People will be just so grateful that until Boxing Day they can see their family.

And then maybe they won't be too bothered if the rate of infection goes mega?
Most of us have already been jabbed 2 or 3 times . No country can carry on going into lockdowns forever. Incidentally, all my family have been jabbed 3 times each. How many more jabs are we expected to take ?

As many as are necessary is the correct answer. You've had them so clearly appreciate their value.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:32 am**

RedDwarf 1881 M wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:47 am The front page of the Sun makes for interesting reading today .

I actually took a look online and if you’re referring to the item by that a-hole Liddle, previously of The Spectator, then that is a scandalous piece of disingenuous crap. He does indeed state that Omicron is akin to a cold and the government should treat it as such. What a lying piece of ordure this man is and what a mouthpiece The Sun is for those who want “business first, people second” to be prevalent.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:42 am**

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:32 am
RedDwarf 1881 M wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:47 am The front page of the Sun makes for interesting reading today .
I actually took a look online and if you’re referring to the item by that a-hole Liddle, previously of The Spectator, then that is a scandalous piece of disingenuous crap. He does indeed state that Omicron is akin to a cold and the government should treat it as such. What a lying piece of ordure this man is and what a mouthpiece The Sun is for those who want “business first, people second” to be prevalent.

He is picking up on the point that Omicron symptoms can feel like a cold, does not mean it is a cold

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:24 am**

Story of O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:42 am
BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:32 am
RedDwarf 1881 M wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:47 am The front page of the Sun makes for interesting reading today .
I actually took a look online and if you’re referring to the item by that a-hole Liddle, previously of The Spectator, then that is a scandalous piece of disingenuous crap. He does indeed state that Omicron is akin to a cold and the government should treat it as such. What a lying piece of ordure this man is and what a mouthpiece The Sun is for those who want “business first, people second” to be prevalent.
He is picking up on the point that Omicron symptoms can feel like a cold, does not mean it is a cold

No, he’s stating that Omicron is no worse than the common cold and therefore no restrictions are needed. It’s a dangerous piece of “journalism” designed to support business wanting to get “back to normality” regardless of the human cost.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:41 am**

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:24 am
Story of O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:42 am
BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:32 am

I actually took a look online and if you’re referring to the item by that a-hole Liddle, previously of The Spectator, then that is a scandalous piece of disingenuous crap. He does indeed state that Omicron is akin to a cold and the government should treat it as such. What a lying piece of ordure this man is and what a mouthpiece The Sun is for those who want “business first, people second” to be prevalent.
He is picking up on the point that Omicron symptoms can feel like a cold, does not mean it is a cold
No, he’s stating that Omicron is no worse than the common cold and therefore no restrictions are needed. It’s a dangerous piece of “journalism” designed to support business wanting to get “back to normality” regardless of the human cost.

It must be difficult for business trying to balance the need for income against killing regular customers.

I know I worry about it but old Mrs Crawford doesn't get to because after getting Covid she's now just a pile of ashes in the rose garden at the Paisley Crematorium.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:08 pm**

119,789 reported cases today

Madness

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:20 pm**

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:24 am
Story of O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:42 am
BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:32 am

I actually took a look online and if you’re referring to the item by that a-hole Liddle, previously of The Spectator, then that is a scandalous piece of disingenuous crap. He does indeed state that Omicron is akin to a cold and the government should treat it as such. What a lying piece of ordure this man is and what a mouthpiece The Sun is for those who want “business first, people second” to be prevalent.
He is picking up on the point that Omicron symptoms can feel like a cold, does not mean it is a cold
No, he’s stating that Omicron is no worse than the common cold and therefore no restrictions are needed. It’s a dangerous piece of “journalism” designed to support business wanting to get “back to normality” regardless of the human cost.

Or someone just reporting as it is. How do you determine who to believe.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:21 pm**

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:08 pm 119,789 reported cases today

Madness

Imagine what it's going to be like after one last busy shopping day tomorrow, Xmas with family gatherings and Boxing Day sales.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:28 pm**

Never going to stop people seeing families, which is why no UK Government is trying it.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:37 pm**

200k by new year?

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:47 pm**

We'll come close if the current trajectory is continued

Particularly bad cold season this year

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:49 pm**

There's no lateral flow tests anywhere it seems just at the point people need them before Xmas interaction (probably why)

Went to 5 pharmacies earlier all out and there's no deliveries available on the .Gov website

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:52 pm**

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:49 pm There's no lateral flow tests anywhere it seems just at the point people need them before Xmas interaction (probably why)

Went to 5 pharmacies earlier all out and there's no deliveries available on the .Gov website

Randomly my local library gets deliveries and the neighbours have got some there. Might be worth a go. They might look at your strangely if it’s just around here though.

Posted: **Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:53 pm**

George M wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:20 pm
BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:24 am
Story of O wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:42 am

He is picking up on the point that Omicron symptoms can feel like a cold, does not mean it is a cold
No, he’s stating that Omicron is no worse than the common cold and therefore no restrictions are needed. It’s a dangerous piece of “journalism” designed to support business wanting to get “back to normality” regardless of the human cost.
Or someone just reporting as it is. How do you determine who to believe.

I tend to find that engaging your brain helps. That and reading articles from people who know what they're talking about and not some tired hack who was "bought and paid for" many years ago.

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