I think I’ve finally got the distinction.
“PC gone mad” is when right wing people have mad ideas about what they think left wing people might do
“Woke” is when left wing people have mad ideas about what left wing people should do
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:18 am
by Hoover Attack
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:19 am
West end theatre running black only nights so audiences can be “free of the white gaze”
Some people will genuinely be upset by necessary but radical initiatives like this, won't they?
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:18 am
by Proposition Joe
Going back to the theatre thing, I don't even understand why you'd use the phrase "white gaze" here unless the production was a 100% black affair, with only black actors. As much as that would be contentious, you could possibly get the logic. But it's got the f*cking Game of Thrones fella in it so imagine he wouldn't be too affected by people of his own ethnicity watching him perform.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:20 am
by CEB
Thinking back to the late 90s, the first time i worked for a charity.
“PC gone mad” was my dad being a bit like “and I bet they don’t celebrate Christmas!” (they did) when there was a Diwali celebration I was going to be working on.
“Woke” was that a project worker actually banned snakes and ladders on the grounds that it was competitive but arbitrary and so could be distressing to the loser
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:21 am
by CEB
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:18 am
Going back to the theatre thing, I don't even understand why you'd use the phrase "white gaze" here unless the production was a 100% black affair, with only black actors. As much as that would be contentious, you could possibly get the logic. But it's got the f*cking Game of Thrones fella in it so imagine he wouldn't be too affected by people of his own ethnicity watching him perform.
I think the answer is “so you get a glowing story about it in the guardian”
Obviously, that was never going to be enough. So just to take it to an extra level of lunacy, they state that these nights are for "black-identifying" audiences.
Rachel Dolezal sighs in relief.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:23 am
by Dunners
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:18 am
Going back to the theatre thing, I don't even understand why you'd use the phrase "white gaze" here unless the production was a 100% black affair, with only black actors. As much as that would be contentious, you could possibly get the logic. But it's got the f*cking Game of Thrones fella in it so imagine he wouldn't be too affected by people of his own ethnicity watching him perform.
Yeah, but they make him wear a blindfold for these performances. And, just for added protection for the black-identifying audience, he blacks-up, wears a dread wig, and delivers his lines with a patois accent.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:24 am
by CEB
Seriously though, all of that stuff is just culture eating itself. If I sat down and wrote a YA novel (I’m sure I’d go down well in that genre, I hear that that section of society LOVES terfs) and had “how to navigate being a white guy writing”, I’d never get past the decision “do I include black characters because writing as if white is default is regressive, or do I not include black characters because their stories are not mine to tell and I should not put white mens words in black character’s mouths”?
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:38 am
by Proposition Joe
CEB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:24 am
Seriously though, all of that stuff is just culture eating itself. If I sat down and wrote a YA novel (I’m sure I’d go down well in that genre, I hear that that section of society LOVES terfs) and had “how to navigate being a white guy writing”, I’d never get past the decision “do I include black characters because writing as if white is default is regressive, or do I not include black characters because their stories are not mine to tell and I should not put white mens words in black character’s mouths”?
Is this specific to YA novels? Writing about someone who is unlike yourself in one way or another seems a genuine dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation in any case these days.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:41 am
by CEB
YA in particular is highly policed for this sort of thing, and the culture around it could pretty much be seen as the epicentre of “cancel culture” (though publishing as a whole probably isn’t far behind)
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:57 am
by Proposition Joe
Only just noticed dammed instead of damned. Ouch.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:30 am
by Dunners
The most under-represented cohort in the media is state educated, non-university educated, younger people, regardless of ethnic background. But that ESG rating needs boosting so...
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:38 am
by Hoover Attack
You ok, dun?
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2024 10:44 am
by Dunners
Just annoyed that, once again, I'm excluded from a non-paid opportunity to be exploited as a wannabe Guardian journalist, is all.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:28 am
by Dunners
Woke Mistress General, Dr Charlotte Proudman, has just launched her campaign to demand a change in the law to require that men obtain a clear "yes" to sex before proceeding.
Here's the poster.
(To be fair, as the intention is to get the campaign noticed, then this could be very successful.)
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:40 am
by Proposition Joe
Out of interest, how would one verify that you'd obtained a 'clear yes'? Do you need witnesses, or to pause your pashing in the back of the cab/on the living room sofa to get someone to sign a contract or waiver? Otherwise, while the intentions may be admirable (if misguided), everything still comes down to he said/she said.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:49 am
by Dunners
That's the problem, and the campaign fails to address it (probably because there's no simple solution).
Affirmative Consent requires the presence of a “yes” rather than the absence of a “no”. This can be expressed verbally, which is the safest and clearest form of consent. Examples of giving verbal consent include “Yes” or other affirmative statements such as “I’m open to trying”.
If you are not sure you are getting a clear and enthusiastic yes from your partner, it is your responsibility to ask. Consent cannot be inferred from silence or lack of resistance.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:19 am
by Long slender neck
Who says "I'm open to trying" ?
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:22 am
by Currywurst and Chips
Shame the quality ain’t great
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:23 am
by Dunners
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:19 am
Who says "I'm open to trying" ?
I'm having more fun thinking of the kind of questions you'd need to be asking to even get that response.
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:29 am
by Dunners
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:03 am
by Wally Banter
I immediate thought of these:
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:05 am
by Wally Banter
So I guess we men have had a good laugh and decided this is a nonsense. Um....is there even one female boarder left on here?
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:14 am
by CEB
The only people who will adopt such obviously unworkable ideas are those who are already enthusiastically very aware of their moral code around this stuff.
Like most stuff like this it won’t penetrate (so to speak) those who actually need to understand consent better
Re: Woke watch.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 11:14 am
by Mick McQuaid
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 9:40 am
Out of interest, how would one verify that you'd obtained a 'clear yes'? Do you need witnesses, or to pause your pashing in the back of the cab/on the living room sofa to get someone to sign a contract or waiver? Otherwise, while the intentions may be admirable (if misguided), everything still comes down to he said/she said.
I think the aim is to stop the 'I thought you were up for it/you didn't say no' defence. At least people would have to outright lie rather than saying it was a misunderstanding. I know someone who didn't report what they considered to be rape because they decided in the moment that the quickest and safest way out of the situation was to put up with it.
