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I didn’t. Scientists are. You are embarrassing yourself now and I’m bored

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:11 pm I didn’t. Scientists are. You are embarrassing yourself now and I’m bored

Sage scientists ?

Seen this on the Beeb too.

15:00
More details emerge on 10 Omicron cases in English hospitals
As we heard earlier, 10 people have been hospitalised with the Omicron variant in England.

Now, the UK Health Security Agency has provided some more detail on those cases.

They are aged 18 to 85 and are in hospitals around the country where they were diagnosed with Omicron on or before admission, it says.

The majority had received two doses of Covid vaccination, the UKHSA says, and - as we've been reporting - one person has died.

"Hospitalisations always lag a few weeks behind infections, therefore it isn't surprising that we have started to see people being admitted to hospital with the Omicron variant. Our data shows that getting the booster vaccine is more effective against this variant than two doses alone. Everyone over 18 is now able to walk into a vaccination centre so do not hesitate to get yours. from Dr Susan Hopkins Chief medical adviser UKHSA
Hospitalisations always lag a few weeks behind infections, therefore it isn't surprising that we have started to see people being admitted to hospital with the Omicron variant. Our data shows that getting the booster vaccine is more effective against this variant than two doses alone. Everyone over 18 is now able to walk into a vaccination centre so do not hesitate to get yours.

Dr Susan Hopkins
Chief medical adviser UKHSA"

So that's 10 people between 18 to 85 in hospital with something as minor as a cold, most of whom have been double jabbed.

Haven’t heard a Sage scientist say it , no . There is reason to doubt BJs announcement this morning. Commentators are saying that dying with Omicron is not the same as dying as a direct result of Omicron.

Guilty.

Why does he post this crap from an Orient associated account. I want nothing to do with his drivel.

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:11 pm I didn’t. Scientists are. You are embarrassing yourself now and I’m bored

Except you didn't reference scientists (or anything) when you made the link.

Nor have you referenced any "commentators" above.

If you're going to make false statements based upon lazy "Some people say" you'll be called out for it.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:05 pm

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:11 pm I didn’t. Scientists are. You are embarrassing yourself now and I’m bored

Except you didn't reference scientists (or anything) when you made the link.

Nor have you referenced any "commentators" above.

If you're going to make false statements based upon lazy "Some people say" you'll be called out for it.

Still embarrassing yourself

Pointing out misinformation and asking for wild claims to be backed up, especislly if the recipient has a very fragile ego, is a great use of time.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:13 pm Pointing out misinformation and asking for wild claims to be backed up, especislly if the recipient has a very fragile ego, is a great use of time.

I did back them up this morning. Now bore off.

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:27 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:13 pm Pointing out misinformation and asking for wild claims to be backed up, especislly if the recipient has a very fragile ego, is a great use of time.

I did back them up this morning. Now bore off.

Yeah, after people had been hospitalised with it

I'd of stopped parroting the "Just a cold" line by then, but no.

It stands to reason that if all 67 million of us will come into contact with this new variant before the end of the year , as we have been told and we have no reason to doubt that , anyone who dies between now and then are likely to die with Omicron.
It is already being reported in some countries that this is the first case anywhere in the world where a person has died of Omicron. BJ was careful with his wording and this hasn’t been confirmed as being so.

It may have parts of the common cold in it

NEW YORK, Dec 3 (Reuters) - The Omicron variant of the virus that causes COVID-19 likely acquired at least one of its mutations by picking up a snippet of genetic material from another virus - possibly one that causes the common cold - present in the same infected cells, according to researchers.

This genetic sequence does not appear in any earlier versions of the coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2, but is ubiquitous in many other viruses including those that cause the common cold, and also in the human genome, researchers said.



By inserting this particular snippet into itself, Omicron might be making itself look "more human," which would help it evade attack by the human immune system, said Venky Soundararajan of Cambridge, Massachusetts-based data analytics firm nference, who led the study posted on Thursday on the website OSF Preprints.

This could mean the virus transmits more easily, while only causing mild or asymptomatic disease. Scientists do not yet know whether Omicron is more infectious than other variants, whether it causes more severe disease or whether it will overtake Delta as the most prevalent variant. It may take several weeks to get answers to these questions.

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:37 pm It stands to reason that if all 67 million of us will come into contact with this new variant before the end of the year , as we have been told and we have no reason to doubt that , anyone who dies between now and then are likely to die with Omicron.
It is already being reported in some countries that this is the first case anywhere in the world where a person has died of Omicron. BJ was careful with his wording and this hasn’t been confirmed as being so.

"It's already being reported"

Your commitment to not referencing anything is quite remarkable

The omicron variant is likely to have picked up genetic material from another virus that causes the common cold in humans, according to a new preliminary study, prompting one of its authors to suggest omicron could have greater transmissibility but lower virulence than other variants of the coronavirus.

Researchers from Nference, a Cambridge, Mass.-based firm that analyzes biomedical information, sequenced omicron and found a snippet of genetic code that is also present in a virus that can bring about a cold. They say this particular mutation could have occurred in a host simultaneously infected by SARS-CoV-2, also known as the novel coronavirus, and the HCoV-229E coronavirus, which can cause the common cold. The shared genetic code with HCoV-229E has not been detected in other novel coronavirus variants, the scientists said.

Covid passports to be upped to three doses soon then

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:42 pm

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:37 pm It stands to reason that if all 67 million of us will come into contact with this new variant before the end of the year , as we have been told and we have no reason to doubt that , anyone who dies between now and then are likely to die with Omicron.
It is already being reported in some countries that this is the first case anywhere in the world where a person has died of Omicron. BJ was careful with his wording and this hasn’t been confirmed as being so.

"It's already being reported"

Your commitment to not referencing anything is quite remarkable

ONDON, United Kingdom (AFP) — At least one person has died in Britain after being infected with the Omicron variant, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday, as the country launched an ambitious COVID-19 booster shot program to stop the virus’s spread.

Britain — among the countries worst hit by the global health crisis since last year — is believed to be the first government to officially announce a death from the virus mutation.

There you go , big mouth

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:27 pm
So that's 10 people between 18 to 25 in hospital with something as minor as a cold, most of whom have been double jabbed.

18 to 25 or 18-85?

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:09 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:27 pm
So that's 10 people between 18 to 25 in hospital with something as minor as a cold, most of whom have been double jabbed.

18 to 25 or 18-85?

Good spot. I'll fix that

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:52 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:42 pm

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:37 pm It stands to reason that if all 67 million of us will come into contact with this new variant before the end of the year , as we have been told and we have no reason to doubt that , anyone who dies between now and then are likely to die with Omicron.
It is already being reported in some countries that this is the first case anywhere in the world where a person has died of Omicron. BJ was careful with his wording and this hasn’t been confirmed as being so.

"It's already being reported"

Your commitment to not referencing anything is quite remarkable

ONDON, United Kingdom (AFP) — At least one person has died in Britain after being infected with the Omicron variant, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday, as the country launched an ambitious COVID-19 booster shot program to stop the virus’s spread.

Britain — among the countries worst hit by the global health crisis since last year — is believed to be the first government to officially announce a death from the virus mutation.

There you go , big mouth

can we have links please , just to prove you arent just babbling again !Ta

George wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:30 pm Haven’t heard a Sage scientist say it , no . There is reason to doubt BJs announcement this morning. Commentators are saying that dying with Omicron is not the same as dying as a direct result of Omicron.

N o need to doubt the U-Turn ? .Either add something useful or leave the ..................

Imagine if a new contraceptive vaccine came out, but you could still get pregnant, even if you had two doses!
Dont think many would use it, do you!

Imagine if they started selling cars with seatbelts - but you could still crash and get killed, even if you had seatbelts on your car. Don't think many would bother with seatbelts, do you?

Pretty savage cold going around this year