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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:43 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:14 pm

Mr. Peanutbutter wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:04 pm

From his performances, what aspects make you think he'd be a bad signing?

Fair question. He went to Lincoln on loan, on the last day of January, this year, and only played 2 games. Now i reckon the two brothers in charge of Lincoln are pretty shrewd operators, and they only gave him 2 games. Says everything to me
If he's not good enough for Lincoln, he's not good enough for Orient is my opinion

Exactly.

BIGRON wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:08 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:39 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:54 am The fact hes had a bad injury, makes it probable he will sign....we like players with bad injuries

Such as? The only player I can think of in the past 3 offseasons is Gorman.

I reckon Gorman will come good this season .

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:55 pm

BIGRON wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:08 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:39 pm

Such as? The only player I can think of in the past 3 offseasons is Gorman.

I reckon Gorman will come good this season .

I don’t...

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:19 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:55 pm

BIGRON wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:08 pm

I reckon Gorman will come good this season .

I don’t...

I don't either but I really hope he proves us wrong.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:26 pm He needs to as he will be a key player this season.

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:26 pm He needs to as he will be a key player this season.

Doubt that our fourth choice (at best) central midfielder will be a key player. Couple of JPT appearances and then released to the National League before the end of the season.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:20 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:26 pm He needs to as he will be a key player this season.

Doubt that our fourth choice (at best) central midfielder will be a key player. Couple of JPT appearances and then released to the National League before the end of the season.

How is he fourth choice?

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:23 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:20 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm

Doubt that our fourth choice (at best) central midfielder will be a key player. Couple of JPT appearances and then released to the National League before the end of the season.

How is he fourth choice?

Clay, Wright, McAnuff, Gorman. There you go. Possibly might even bring in another.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:26 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:19 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:55 pm

I don’t...

I don't either but I really hope he proves us wrong.

I struggle with the concept that a club with professional and knowledgeable people would sign players who are simply and clearly not good enough. So I believe both Alabi and Gorman have much more to offer that what we have seen so far, else why would anybody with half a football brain bring them in.

Alabi just didn’t fit our style and could do very well elsewhere. Gorman, a huge disappointment but perhaps after a good preseason will show us some of the qualities someone in the club thinks he has. He needs to as he will be a key player this season.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:08 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:26 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:19 pm

I don't either but I really hope he proves us wrong.

I struggle with the concept that a club with professional and knowledgeable people would sign players who are simply and clearly not good enough. So I believe both Alabi and Gorman have much more to offer that what we have seen so far, else why would anybody with half a football brain bring them in.

Alabi just didn’t fit our style and could do very well elsewhere. Gorman, a huge disappointment but perhaps after a good preseason will show us some of the qualities someone in the club thinks he has. He needs to as he will be a key player this season.

It was professional and knowledgeable people at the club who signed James Scrowcroft . We all make mistakes .

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:23 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:20 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:12 pm

Doubt that our fourth choice (at best) central midfielder will be a key player. Couple of JPT appearances and then released to the National League before the end of the season.

How is he fourth choice?

Clay, Wright, McAnuff, Gorman. There you go. Possibly might even bring in another.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:15 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:23 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:20 pm

How is he fourth choice?

Clay, Wright, McAnuff, Gorman. There you go. Possibly might even bring in another.

Never really considered McAnuff as CM

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:16 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:15 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:23 pm

Clay, Wright, McAnuff, Gorman. There you go. Possibly might even bring in another.

Never really considered McAnuff as CM

Well, he did only play 30-odd games there last season.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:17 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:16 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:15 pm

Never really considered McAnuff as CM

Well, he did only play 30-odd games there last season.

Wide not central.

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:09 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:17 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:16 pm

Well, he did only play 30-odd games there last season.

Wide not central.

Started the season out wide, ended it in the middle. Our default change early in the season was to take Lee off on the hour mark and move McAnuff inside. Then we switched to 3-5-2 and he started every game alongside Clay.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:27 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:09 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:17 pm

Wide not central.

Started the season out wide, ended it in the middle. Our default change early in the season was to take Lee off on the hour mark and move McAnuff inside. Then we switched to 3-5-2 and he started every game alongside Clay.

Sure, but not a Central Midfielder as such and I doubt he would be considered as a starter in that position as a rule, unless necessary. Charlee Lee being all but absent for the last 2 months. As it stands we have 3 central midfielders, Clay, Wright and Gorman.

The reason why I feel he will be key is that last season, all competitions, he made 14 starts 14 appearances as a sub and a further 7 as an unused sub. 35 times in the starting squad. Despite being in my opinion fairly average. We have to consider the possibility that Clay and Wright may not be available for every game therefore Gorman, either as a used sub or starter will figure quite regularly.

Of course we may well yet recruit a strong CM, hope so, but he is not fourth choice right now and he will figure in games.

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:32 pm

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:27 pm

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:09 pm

Started the season out wide, ended it in the middle. Our default change early in the season was to take Lee off on the hour mark and move McAnuff inside. Then we switched to 3-5-2 and he started every game alongside Clay.

Sure, but not a Central Midfielder as such and I doubt he would be considered as a starter in that position as a rule, unless necessary. Charlee Lee being all but absent for the last 2 months. As it stands we have 3 central midfielders, Clay, Wright and Gorman.

The reason why I feel he will be key is that last season, all competitions, he made 14 starts 14 appearances as a sub and a further 7 as an unused sub. 35 times in the starting squad. Despite being in my opinion fairly average. We have to consider the possibility that Clay and Wright may not be available for every game therefore Gorman, either as a used sub or starter will figure quite regularly.

Of course we may well yet recruit a strong CM, hope so, but he is not fourth choice right now and he will figure in games.

Gorman was available for literally every single game that McAnuff started in central midfield (including the Hartlepool game before Christmas). McAnuff was picked ahead of him for a reason. Gorman will carve out an okay career in the NLS, if he has the stomach for it.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:14 pm Gorman had yet to start a game prior to Hartlepool, handful of sub appearances, we all know why. Immediately after Hartlepool he started 10 of the next 15 games, an unused sub in 4 and a used sub in 1, therefore in those games Jobi was not picked ahead of him but played alongside. In fact after the Hartlepool game it was his longest run in the team. Following that Clay and Lee took CM duties until end February. With Lee out Lawless partnered Clay in CM for a handful of games.

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:31 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:14 pm Gorman had yet to start a game prior to Hartlepool, handful of sub appearances, we all know why. Immediately after Hartlepool he started 10 of the next 15 games, an unused sub in 4 and a used sub in 1, therefore in those games Jobi was not picked ahead of him but played alongside. In fact after the Hartlepool game it was his longest run in the team. Following that Clay and Lee took CM duties until end February. With Lee out Lawless partnered Clay in CM for a handful of games.

McAnuff played on the left when Gorman had his run in the side. When McAnuff played in the centre after we switched to 3-5-2, he was picked ahead of Gorman. Not rocket science.

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:25 am

Kitch’s Magic Toes wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:31 am

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:14 pm Gorman had yet to start a game prior to Hartlepool, handful of sub appearances, we all know why. Immediately after Hartlepool he started 10 of the next 15 games, an unused sub in 4 and a used sub in 1, therefore in those games Jobi was not picked ahead of him but played alongside. In fact after the Hartlepool game it was his longest run in the team. Following that Clay and Lee took CM duties until end February. With Lee out Lawless partnered Clay in CM for a handful of games.

McAnuff played on the left when Gorman had his run in the side. When McAnuff played in the centre after we switched to 3-5-2, he was picked ahead of Gorman. Not rocket science.

I think a little defensive deviation is taking place here. First. He is NOT a CM as a primary position despite the fact that on occasions he has played in that role and secondly he has NOT played in that position 30 times by being picked ahead of Gorman.

A look at CM pairing stats demonstrates this is just not possible as I have proven.

What has happened is a personal dislike for the player generating all sorts of nonsense, something all too frequent on this forum and goes way beyond a fair critique of players performances.

We are all disappointed at his performance last season, I dare say he is too, after expecting so much and we know he is unlikely to get the nod ahead of Clay and Wright. It is likely he will get a decent amount of pitch time unless the club recruit another CM, Gorman is likely to get the chance to demonstrate he is better than what we have seen. I hope he does for all our sakes.

With Lawless and Lee gone and only Wright incoming I hope another, strong, CM comes in. At that point Gorman may drop to fourth choice. But to put him fourth now, behind Jobi, is nonsense as Jobi is not a natural CM for us but emergency cover at best, he is far more effective out wide.