Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Qin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:24 am I dont think Kenny can call himself hard done by. The facts speak for themselves. Under him, the team won 2 points out of a possible 30. In recent weeks he looked panicky, chopping and changing formations and personal, as if he was bereft of ideas and just hoping by luck, something would work out for him.
Shame because he came with a great record, but it all went wrong in December.

I'm very unhappy about Martin Lings role in all this as well. I dont think Ling is a very nice man TBH, and I dont think he's entirely truthful either, and is a toxic presence about the place. The episode with Fletcher, was a disgrace IMO. I would love to know what Kenny really thinks of Ling now .

We need a few points on the board now, and someones got to take hold of this squad and get those points, and I'm not sure who will even want to come and work for the club now

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:28 am

Qin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:24 am I dont think Kenny can call himself hard done by. The facts speak for themselves. Under him, the team won 2 points out of a possible 30. In recent weeks he looked panicky, chopping and changing formations and personal, as if he was bereft of ideas and just hoping by luck, something would work out for him.
Shame because he came with a great record, but it all went wrong in December.

I'm very unhappy about Martin Lings role in all this as well. I dont think Ling is a very nice man TBH, and I dont think he's entirely truthful either, and is a toxic presence about the place. The episode with Fletcher, was a disgrace IMO. I would love to know what Kenny really thinks of Ling now .

We need a few points on the board now, and someones got to take hold of this squad and get those points, and I'm not sure who will even want to come and work for the club now

On that note about team selection some of the choices recently made me think he was almost daring the board to sack him.

Anthem of Hope wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:57 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am Do you recall when Becehetti gave Russ a win or be sacked ultimatum. I think every O’s fan shuddered. It’s not on. I have not listened to it but I just don’t know how you expect Ling to answer it. It’s something he shouldn’t have been asked.

Please listen to the interview

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:39 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:28 am

Qin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:24 am I dont think Kenny can call himself hard done by. The facts speak for themselves. Under him, the team won 2 points out of a possible 30. In recent weeks he looked panicky, chopping and changing formations and personal, as if he was bereft of ideas and just hoping by luck, something would work out for him.
Shame because he came with a great record, but it all went wrong in December.

I'm very unhappy about Martin Lings role in all this as well. I dont think Ling is a very nice man TBH, and I dont think he's entirely truthful either, and is a toxic presence about the place. The episode with Fletcher, was a disgrace IMO. I would love to know what Kenny really thinks of Ling now .

We need a few points on the board now, and someones got to take hold of this squad and get those points, and I'm not sure who will even want to come and work for the club now

On that note about team selection some of the choices recently made me think he was almost daring the board to sack him.

Oh come on.

I do however accept he may have been making a point to Ling about the quality of the players he had been given to work with - playing Young over Colebrown and Ruel over Nouvle, for example.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:52 am In fairness to Jackett, it didn't ever seem like the team had given up on him. We created a similar number of chances last night as we were when we were battering teams. But the defence has become a complete shambles, despite having very decent centre backs and a good goalie, and our forwards have zero confidence.

Our team is very uneven but there's enough quality there to be doing far better than we are. I really don't understand why he refused to revert to the 3-4-3 that served us so well at beginning of season.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:49 am

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:39 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:28 am

On that note about team selection some of the choices recently made me think he was almost daring the board to sack him.

Oh come on.

I do however accept he may have been making a point to Ling about the quality of the players he had been given to work with - playing Young over Colebrown and Ruel over Nouvle, for example.

If you could be bothered to listen to the interview, Ling said KJ really rated Young.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:59 am When we had Archibald, Smith, Drinan up top. Didn't persevere with it that long as Jackett clearly doesn't fancy Wood but we looked decent in that set up imo. How we played against rovers, Mansfield, Oldham etc.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:45 am "The big lesson of <manager recently sacked by a L2 team> tenure is that no manager is guaranteed to be a success, no matter their previous track record. You have to take into account the relatively high odds that the manager who comes in is going to fail"

Can anyone guess who this rational fan supports and is talking about?

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:56 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:45 am "The big lesson of <manager recently sacked by a L2 team> tenure is that no manager is guaranteed to be a success, no matter their previous track record. You have to take into account the relatively high odds that the manager who comes in is going to fail"

Can anyone guess who this rational fan supports and is talking about?

Bradford City and Adams ?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:06 pm Why are you arguing in defence of Lings record, when you’re also saying you believe he should go. I don’t get it.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:14 pm I don’t really understand this hatred towards Ling. As a player he gave us decent service and nearly got us promoted. As a manager he was decent and got us promoted. As DOF he came in with the club on its knees and was an integral part of the group that got us out of NL.

He brought in Davis, Justin and KJ which all at the time seemed good appointments.

KJ got the sack as he made some bad decisions, primarily playing Drinan every game when he kept missing chances. Not sure how this is Ling’s fault. What am I missing?

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:14 pm I don’t really understand this hatred towards Ling. As a player he gave us decent service and nearly got us promoted. As a manager he was decent and got us promoted. As DOF he came in with the club on its knees and was an integral part of the group that got us out of NL.

He brought in Davis, Justin and KJ which all at the time seemed good appointments.

KJ got the sack as he made some bad decisions, primarily playing Drinan every game when he kept missing chances. Not sure how this is Ling’s fault. What am I missing?

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:24 pm

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:14 pm I don’t really understand this hatred towards Ling. As a player he gave us decent service and nearly got us promoted. As a manager he was decent and got us promoted. As DOF he came in with the club on its knees and was an integral part of the group that got us out of NL.

He brought in Davis, Justin and KJ which all at the time seemed good appointments.

KJ got the sack as he made some bad decisions, primarily playing Drinan every game when he kept missing chances. Not sure how this is Ling’s fault. What am I missing?

Some people are obsessed with there being someone to blame. When they go they then find someone else to blame. Other people hold grudges from the start and refuse to change their mind, then blame people based on the grudge. When Ling goes there will be a new target for blame. It's just the way it is.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:14 pm I don’t really understand this hatred towards Ling. As a player he gave us decent service and nearly got us promoted. As a manager he was decent and got us promoted. As DOF he came in with the club on its knees and was an integral part of the group that got us out of NL.

He brought in Davis, Justin and KJ which all at the time seemed good appointments.

KJ got the sack as he made some bad decisions, primarily playing Drinan every game when he kept missing chances. Not sure how this is Ling’s fault. What am I missing?