Independent Leyton Orient Forum

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:50 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:41 pm I dont think any less of him than I do of those scumbag England players that went to Qatar

How silly.

Coming from a bigot like you, I'll take that as a compliment

Confirmed - he will leave Man Utd by "mutual agreement".

Amazing effort from the journalists and leakers within the club that managed to make Man U's preferred option, which was to keep him, completely unviable. Will almost certainly have to go abroad to continue his career, the evidence of what a piece of sh*t he is just too damning to play again in the UK.

What were the chances that after the months long decision making process they just happened to finally announce their decision an hour or so after one of the country's worst ever child murderers got sentenced and was set to dominate the headlines? Spooky.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:19 pm Amazing effort from the journalists and leakers within the club that managed to make Man U's preferred option, which was to keep him, completely unviable. Will almost certainly have to go abroad to continue his career, the evidence of what a piece of sh*t he is just too damning to play again in the UK.

I wouldn't hold your breath. He's a good player and therefore there will be suiters willing to ignore any previous or his character in general.

I just hope the lad is getting some sort of counselling to sort his issues out and has people around him that give him good advise otherwise it won't be the last time he acts like he allegedly did.

He'll end up at Burnley.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:19 pm Amazing effort from the journalists and leakers within the club that managed to make Man U's preferred option, which was to keep him, completely unviable. Will almost certainly have to go abroad to continue his career, the evidence of what a piece of sh*t he is just too damning to play again in the UK.

The evidence proved the opposite. Trial by social media who didn’t hold all the facts.

You are saying it’s been proved that he’s innocent? Are you simple?

Club Announcement from Manchester United:


Now that we have concluded and announced the outcome of the club's investigation into Mason Greenwood, I want to be direct and transparent with our fans about the process and the reasons for our decision.

This was an internal disciplinary investigation between employer and employee which would ordinarily take place outside of the public eye. Given the public nature of the allegations and Mason's profile, I acknowledge that this was not an ordinary situation, but I felt it important that we still follow due process and, so far as possible, avoid media comment until I had made a definitive decision.

When audio footage and imagery was posted online in January 2022, my feelings were of shock and concern for the alleged victim. Her welfare, wishes and perspective have been central to the club's approach ever since, as have the club’s standards and values. While we immediately concluded that Mason should be suspended pending investigation, we were also conscious of our duty of care towards him and the importance of making a decision based on full information. Until February this year, this was a matter for the police and the Crown Prosecution Service. It was only when charges were dropped that the club discussed the allegations with Mason and others involved in the case.

Our investigation sought to collate as much evidence as possible to establish facts and context. This was not a quick or straightforward process for a variety of reasons. It was essential for us to respect the rights and wishes of the alleged victim. Also, we have limited powers of investigation which meant we were reliant on third party cooperation. Timings have also been influenced by my desire to minimise the impact of the investigation on our men's and women's teams, as well as our Lionesses. I acknowledge that this gave more time for speculation, but the alternative would have been to compromise due process or create untimely disruption.

While we were unable to access certain evidence for reasons we respect, the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with. I am restricted as to what I can say for legal reasons, including the alleged victim's ongoing right to anonymity, but I am able to share the following with you which should give you some insight into the complexity of this case:

The alleged victim requested the police to drop their investigation in April 2022.
We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online.
The alleged victim's family participated in the process and were given the opportunity to review and correct our factual findings.

Last week the media reported that we had decided to reintegrate Mason and that elements of a plan to do so had been leaked to them. Reintegration was one of the outcomes we considered and planned for. For context, over the course of the past six months several outcomes have been contemplated and planned for, and my view has evolved as our process progressed. While the ultimate decision rested with me, I was taking various factors and views into account right up until the point of finalising my decision.

While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason’s accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for. I am also mindful of the challenge that Mason would face rebuilding his career and raising a baby together with his partner in the harsh spotlight of Manchester United. Further, this case has provoked strong opinions, and it is my responsibility to minimise any distraction to the unity we are seeking within the club.

Although we have decided that Mason will seek to rebuild his career away from Manchester United, that does not signal the end of this matter. The club will continue to offer its support both to the alleged victim and Mason to help them rebuild and move forward positively with their lives.

Thank you for your continued support,



Richard Arnold
Chief Executive Officer

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:24 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:19 pm Amazing effort from the journalists and leakers within the club that managed to make Man U's preferred option, which was to keep him, completely unviable. Will almost certainly have to go abroad to continue his career, the evidence of what a piece of sh*t he is just too damning to play again in the UK.

The evidence proved the opposite. Trial by social media who didn’t hold all the facts.

"Evidence", he wasn't found innocent, the CPS were concerned about getting a result

Did you hear the tape of him?

He is a very wealthy man and can afford a very expensive legal team. Plenty with his resources somehow manage yo get a "result"

Of course the case could have been made up but remember the vast majority of these sexual assaults go unpunished. I wish the system was in place that allowed more victims to proceed to a prosecution. Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:24 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:19 pm Amazing effort from the journalists and leakers within the club that managed to make Man U's preferred option, which was to keep him, completely unviable. Will almost certainly have to go abroad to continue his career, the evidence of what a piece of sh*t he is just too damning to play again in the UK.

The evidence proved the opposite. Trial by social media who didn’t hold all the facts.

"Evidence", he wasn't found innocent, the CPS were concerned about getting a result

Did you hear the tape of him?

He is a very wealthy man and can afford a very expensive legal team. Plenty with his resources somehow manage yo get a "result"

Of course the case could have been made up but remember the vast majority of these sexual assaults go unpunished. I wish the system was in place that allowed more victims to proceed to a prosecution. Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

Read the statements from today and reply again

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:22 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:19 pm Amazing effort from the journalists and leakers within the club that managed to make Man U's preferred option, which was to keep him, completely unviable. Will almost certainly have to go abroad to continue his career, the evidence of what a piece of sh*t he is just too damning to play again in the UK.

I wouldn't hold your breath. He's a good player and therefore there will be suiters willing to ignore any previous or his character in general.

I just hope the lad is getting some sort of counselling to sort his issues out and has people around him that give him good advise otherwise it won't be the last time he acts like he allegedly did.

The damage to a clubs brand will surely outweigh whatever sporting benefit they think they'll get for employing a guy who hasn't played football for years. It's easier to sell a second chance narrative (which I support) when there's been an admission of guilt and demonstration of remorse/learning from mistakes. But the guy broke the term of his bail to re-establish contact with the alleged victim and that seems to have resulted in the alleged victim withdrawing her cooperation, which made a prosecution case almost impossible.

He's a young guy so I likewise hope he's able to sort his head out and not see himself as a victim in this circumstance. I guess it's difficult for him to acknowledge any misbehaviour without essentially admitting he's committed the crimes.

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm... Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

When you volunteer to spend the rest of your life in prison in fear for your safety as a nonce despite bring not guilty, then we can discuss this proposal sensibly on your monthly prison visits

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:24 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:19 pm Amazing effort from the journalists and leakers within the club that managed to make Man U's preferred option, which was to keep him, completely unviable. Will almost certainly have to go abroad to continue his career, the evidence of what a piece of sh*t he is just too damning to play again in the UK.

The evidence proved the opposite. Trial by social media who didn’t hold all the facts.

"Evidence", he wasn't found innocent, the CPS were concerned about getting a result

Did you hear the tape of him?

He is a very wealthy man and can afford a very expensive legal team. Plenty with his resources somehow manage yo get a "result"

Of course the case could have been made up but remember the vast majority of these sexual assaults go unpunished. I wish the system was in place that allowed more victims to proceed to a prosecution. Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

Till one day that person is you.

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:44 pm

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm... Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

When you volunteer to spend the rest of your life in prison in fear for your safety as a nonce despite bring not guilty, then we can discuss this proposal sensibly on your monthly prison visits

Wrongly accussed is different to being convicted and banged up

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:39 pm

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:24 pm
The evidence proved the opposite. Trial by social media who didn’t hold all the facts.

"Evidence", he wasn't found innocent, the CPS were concerned about getting a result

Did you hear the tape of him?

He is a very wealthy man and can afford a very expensive legal team. Plenty with his resources somehow manage yo get a "result"

Of course the case could have been made up but remember the vast majority of these sexual assaults go unpunished. I wish the system was in place that allowed more victims to proceed to a prosecution. Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

Read the statements from today and reply again

Manchester United are not part of the judicial establishment of this country. They conducted an internal enquiry with limited scope

spen666 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:44 pm

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm... Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

When you volunteer to spend the rest of your life in prison in fear for your safety as a nonce despite bring not guilty, then we can discuss this proposal sensibly on your monthly prison visits

Pretty sure he was accused of being a wife beater and a rapist, rather than a nonce.

The number of those who say he's "been cleared" by the Court is terrifying. These people could end up on a jury.

I’ve got a clever trick to avoid being caught on video/audio sexually assaulting and threatening women. It’s totally foolproof. Wonder if those men sticking up for Greenwood know what it is?

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:50 pm

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:39 pm

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:36 pm

"Evidence", he wasn't found innocent, the CPS were concerned about getting a result

Did you hear the tape of him?

He is a very wealthy man and can afford a very expensive legal team. Plenty with his resources somehow manage yo get a "result"

Of course the case could have been made up but remember the vast majority of these sexual assaults go unpunished. I wish the system was in place that allowed more victims to proceed to a prosecution. Surely the odd person who is wrongly accused is worth it if countless others are brought to book

Read the statements from today and reply again

Manchester United are not part of the judicial establishment of this country. They conducted an internal enquiry with limited scope

They’re not but the judicial establishment were given evidence that supported what Greenwood said and the case was dropped.

United’s decision was based on more than the information you’re going by.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:31 pm You are saying it’s been proved that he’s innocent? Are you simple?

Fact or fiction, the police were given evidence that wasn’t posted online and they dropped the case.

It’s scary seeing how men will beclown themselves to go to bat for abusive men. Truly terrifying. He’s not even embarrassed to post like that.

Liberals are only liberals when it suits.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:32 pm It’s scary seeing how men will beclown themselves to go to bat for abusive men. Truly terrifying. He’s not even embarrassed to post like that.

Its scary how people will see something online and believe it on face value and refuse to listen to take on board any other pieces of information because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

Oh f*** off you rape apologist fool