Independent Leyton Orient Forum

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:31 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:06 pm Was there this sort of backlash when Davis was sacked and Ross stepped in then, with Brill also stepping up?

It’s an interim appointment only.

Different when you're in pre-season rebuilding a squad. Why have an interim, sign 5-6 players then decide to get a manager in 2-3 months later who might not want them?

For me either have confidence in Embleton & co, big them up and build belief or take the tough decision early and bring in someone to shape the squad as they want it from the start.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:45 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:31 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:06 pm Was there this sort of backlash when Davis was sacked and Ross stepped in then, with Brill also stepping up?

It’s an interim appointment only.

Different when you're in pre-season rebuilding a squad. Why have an interim, sign 5-6 players then decide to get a manager in 2-3 months later who might not want them?

For me either have confidence in Embleton & co, big them up and build belief or take the tough decision early and bring in someone to shape the squad as they want it from the start.

Justin died 10 f*** days ago. What do you want Travis and Teague to do, miraculously pull a new manager out of one of their arseholes?

It’s an interim appointment to tide us over.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:56 pm Let’s say circumstances weren’t so tragic and Justin had been sacked. The exact same thing would happen, Ross would step in as interim/caretaker/acting manager. The club would then look for a replacement and if results were good, Embleton would be considered for the post along with other suitable candidates.

What’s the issue here?

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:06 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:56 pm Let’s say circumstances weren’t so tragic and Justin had been sacked. The exact same thing would happen, Ross would step in as interim/caretaker/acting manager. The club would then look for a replacement and if results were good, Embleton would be considered for the post along with other suitable candidates.

What’s the issue here?

No, you'd have a permanent appointment in before start of the season. You don't sign half a squad (which we have to do given the players released and now sold) with a manager who might not be in post by end of the calendar year.

Announce the team today as new Head coach etc, put the management appointment talk to bed and focus on recruitment and the new season. Now Ross is always looking over his shoulder for how long "interim" lasts if results don't go as planned.

Just adds more uncertainty in a week where the squad is now subject to a lot more change than hoped (although not entirely unexpected).

As a player would you sign for a temporary manager?

O Superman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:13 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:06 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:56 pm Let’s say circumstances weren’t so tragic and Justin had been sacked. The exact same thing would happen, Ross would step in as interim/caretaker/acting manager. The club would then look for a replacement and if results were good, Embleton would be considered for the post along with other suitable candidates.

What’s the issue here?

No, you'd have a permanent appointment in before start of the season. You don't sign half a squad (which we have to do given the players released and now sold) with a manager who might not be in post by end of the calendar year.

Announce the team today as new Head coach etc, put the management appointment talk to bed and focus on recruitment and the new season. Now Ross is always looking over his shoulder for how long "interim" lasts if results don't go as planned.

Just adds more uncertainty in a week where the squad is now subject to a lot more change than hoped (although not entirely unexpected).

As a player would you sign for a temporary manager?

If I was good enough at football, yes

O Superman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:38 pm

O Superman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:13 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:06 pm

No, you'd have a permanent appointment in before start of the season. You don't sign half a squad (which we have to do given the players released and now sold) with a manager who might not be in post by end of the calendar year.

Announce the team today as new Head coach etc, put the management appointment talk to bed and focus on recruitment and the new season. Now Ross is always looking over his shoulder for how long "interim" lasts if results don't go as planned.

Just adds more uncertainty in a week where the squad is now subject to a lot more change than hoped (although not entirely unexpected).

As a player would you sign for a temporary manager?

If I was good enough at football, yes

Joking aside, if a League 1 / 2 player with a mortgage to pay is out of contract and is offered a 2 year deal, do you seriously think he cares if the manager is ‘interim’? If the manager does get fired at Christmas, he still has 18 months on his contract!

Again, I’d rather concentrate on maintaining the camaraderie.

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:50 pm Just wish Justin was still here tbh

O Superman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:33 pm Some unbelievable comments on here but I guess as they are largely from the usual suspects, they are actually totally predicable

The circumstances are almost certainly unique here.
Sure, there have been plenty of times when a manager has won promotion/ the championship and left for whatever reason....but surely not like this!

I don’t know what the players are thinking but then again, neither do any of you.
However, if I were in the same position, I’d like to think that I would want to stick with my mates and carry on the great work that has clearly been done up to now.

Bringing someone else in at this stage would be a massive challenge both to the manager in question and the players and in my opinion is not an option.
Promoting someone from within over Ross would be both unfair on him (Ross) and make it virtually impossible to unwind the situation if it does go tits up.

The decision that has been made is therefore totally logical and the only one that could be made in the circumstances.

Incidentally, i can’t help noticing that the people who are saying that Ross is not the right person are pretty much the same ones who were still insisting in early April that we were bound to blow it last season!

I’ll draw my own conclusions on their collective football knowledge. Personally, I’d rather get behind the new management team and the players from the first kick of the season.

If it works out, it works out but in the grand scheme of things, a good man has died here so I don’t give a toss where we finish next season as long as it’s above the bottom 2.

We can take it from there.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:01 am

O Superman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:33 pm Some unbelievable comments on here but I guess as they are largely from the usual suspects, they are actually totally predicable

The circumstances are almost certainly unique here.
Sure, there have been plenty of times when a manager has won promotion/ the championship and left for whatever reason....but surely not like this!

I don’t know what the players are thinking but then again, neither do any of you.
However, if I were in the same position, I’d like to think that I would want to stick with my mates and carry on the great work that has clearly been done up to now.

Bringing someone else in at this stage would be a massive challenge both to the manager in question and the players and in my opinion is not an option.
Promoting someone from within over Ross would be both unfair on him (Ross) and make it virtually impossible to unwind the situation if it does go tits up.

The decision that has been made is therefore totally logical and the only one that could be made in the circumstances.

Incidentally, i can’t help noticing that the people who are saying that Ross is not the right person are pretty much the same ones who were still insisting in early April that we were bound to blow it last season!

I’ll draw my own conclusions on their collective football knowledge. Personally, I’d rather get behind the new management team and the players from the first kick of the season.

If it works out, it works out but in the grand scheme of things, a good man has died here so I don’t give a toss where we finish next season as long as it’s above the bottom 2.

We can take it from there.

Criticising the appointment does not imply not getting behind him.

You take a very simplistic view don’t you.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:26 pm I'm sure those that didn't quite agree with this appointment are not going to boo the team when they run out in August.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:30 pm If any numpties start booing I hope the people around them take them to task.