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Having listened to Hector following the LV abuse, it seems there is room for different views on the impact of taking the knee. For me it’s about being tolerant to both sides. If players choose to, that’s fine, I respect that. However if they choose not to, then that is equally fine and a respectful thing.jamespevans wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:50 pm https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nee-racism
“People might boo, and that’s why we’ll keep doing it. It’s bigger than us, it’s bigger than just football. It’s something we’re trying to tackle as individuals, as a team, as a league. I think it’s important you still do it, even if it is tough, even if it is uncomfortable.
“People saying, ‘I’m sick of it, I’m sick of hearing about it’ – well, we’re sick of getting abuse, of hearing things in the news. Footballers are sick of being racially abused. We want to remind you that there is a problem and it needs to be tackled, and that’s our way of helping and propelling it forward.”
Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:26 pmHaving listened to Hector following the LV abuse, it seems there is room for different views on the impact of taking the knee. For me it’s about being tolerant to both sides. If players choose to, that’s fine, I respect that. However if they choose not to, then that is equally fine and a respectful thing.jamespevans wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:50 pm https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nee-racism
“People might boo, and that’s why we’ll keep doing it. It’s bigger than us, it’s bigger than just football. It’s something we’re trying to tackle as individuals, as a team, as a league. I think it’s important you still do it, even if it is tough, even if it is uncomfortable.
“People saying, ‘I’m sick of it, I’m sick of hearing about it’ – well, we’re sick of getting abuse, of hearing things in the news. Footballers are sick of being racially abused. We want to remind you that there is a problem and it needs to be tackled, and that’s our way of helping and propelling it forward.”
Allow people the right to have their own positions without the criticism either way.
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Telling people to do something they're uncomfortable with is OK now I seejamespevans wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:50 pm https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nee-racism
“People might boo, and that’s why we’ll keep doing it. It’s bigger than us, it’s bigger than just football. It’s something we’re trying to tackle as individuals, as a team, as a league. I think it’s important you still do it, even if it is tough, even if it is uncomfortable.
“People saying, ‘I’m sick of it, I’m sick of hearing about it’ – well, we’re sick of getting abuse, of hearing things in the news. Footballers are sick of being racially abused. We want to remind you that there is a problem and it needs to be tackled, and that’s our way of helping and propelling it forward.”
seems to work for Priti Patel okCurrywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:50 pmTelling people to do something they're uncomfortable with is OK now I seejamespevans wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:50 pm https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nee-racism
“People might boo, and that’s why we’ll keep doing it. It’s bigger than us, it’s bigger than just football. It’s something we’re trying to tackle as individuals, as a team, as a league. I think it’s important you still do it, even if it is tough, even if it is uncomfortable.
“People saying, ‘I’m sick of it, I’m sick of hearing about it’ – well, we’re sick of getting abuse, of hearing things in the news. Footballers are sick of being racially abused. We want to remind you that there is a problem and it needs to be tackled, and that’s our way of helping and propelling it forward.”
Peak Bera.Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:50 am In that article she talks about what she reads in the news. When England lost in the final of the Euros, 2000 or so messages were racist out of many millions sent and of those, a hundred or so came from the U.K. Nobody is saying it’s not a hundred too many but a hundred people out of a population of 70 million and it was headlines for days on the BBC and in the papers. This country is racist and intolerant etc etc. No wonder the poor girl thinks like that. Back in the day we all rubbed along just fine for the most part (cue hotdogs posting something racist from the 70’s). My mates and I certainly never noticed the colour of people’s skin and took people as we found them but now it’s all we are supposed to think about. The likes of the BBC that espouse elements of critical race theory are just tying to divide the shiiit out of us and should be ashamed of themselves.
The BBC doesn't espouse critical race theory FFS. It's political and news coverage is way too superficial to get even close to doing that. Critical race theory is the new cultural Marxism - a kind of deep state and media lefty bogeyman for people who read Spiked.Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:50 am In that article she talks about what she reads in the news. When England lost in the final of the Euros, 2000 or so messages were racist out of many millions sent and of those, a hundred or so came from the U.K. Nobody is saying it’s not a hundred too many but a hundred people out of a population of 70 million and it was headlines for days on the BBC and in the papers. This country is racist and intolerant etc etc. No wonder the poor girl thinks like that. Back in the day we all rubbed along just fine for the most part (cue hotdogs posting something racist from the 70’s). My mates and I certainly never noticed the colour of people’s skin and took people as we found them but now it’s all we are supposed to think about. The likes of the BBC that espouse elements of critical race theory are just tying to divide the shiiit out of us and should be ashamed of themselves.
If taking the knee is ineffective then doing it when you believe that to be true shouldn't really be an issue. It's not like it will defeat racism all by itself so those guys don't have to worry about getting blamed for its disappearance.Milano wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:03 am a minor issue perhaps but those players who regard 'taking the knee' as ineffective are forced to do it in order to avoid a "some do and some don't" situation which would invite all manner of criticism from those who like to voice their opinions in an aggressive manner. Let the players decide and support their decision.
That's losers talk.
People should be allowed to follow their own beliefs without criticism. Why simply follow the herd. The I in team is management bullshit.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:28 amIf taking the knee is ineffective then doing it when you believe that to be true shouldn't really be an issue. It's not like it will defeat racism all by itself so those guys don't have to worry about getting blamed for its disappearance.Milano wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:03 am a minor issue perhaps but those players who regard 'taking the knee' as ineffective are forced to do it in order to avoid a "some do and some don't" situation which would invite all manner of criticism from those who like to voice their opinions in an aggressive manner. Let the players decide and support their decision.
What is this individualistic crap you are spouting under the guise of a "real" concern. There is no I in team.
Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:42 pmPeople should be allowed to follow their own beliefs without criticism. Why simply follow the herd. The I in team is management bullshit.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:28 amIf taking the knee is ineffective then doing it when you believe that to be true shouldn't really be an issue. It's not like it will defeat racism all by itself so those guys don't have to worry about getting blamed for its disappearance.Milano wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:03 am a minor issue perhaps but those players who regard 'taking the knee' as ineffective are forced to do it in order to avoid a "some do and some don't" situation which would invite all manner of criticism from those who like to voice their opinions in an aggressive manner. Let the players decide and support their decision.
What is this individualistic crap you are spouting under the guise of a "real" concern. There is no I in team.
If you are the only vegetarian in the team, should you eat meat just to fit in. Of course not. There is space within any team to cater for individual differences. Tolerance and understanding. That is how you help build a strong team, not forcing someone to go against their beliefs.
Take one for the team So the veggie should eat meat! Fair enough.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:45 pmDohnut wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:42 pmPeople should be allowed to follow their own beliefs without criticism. Why simply follow the herd. The I in team is management bullshit.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:28 am
If taking the knee is ineffective then doing it when you believe that to be true shouldn't really be an issue. It's not like it will defeat racism all by itself so those guys don't have to worry about getting blamed for its disappearance.
What is this individualistic crap you are spouting under the guise of a "real" concern. There is no I in team.
If you are the only vegetarian in the team, should you eat meat just to fit in. Of course not. There is space within any team to cater for individual differences. Tolerance and understanding. That is how you help build a strong team, not forcing someone to go against their beliefs.
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Peak dohy.Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:42 pm If you are the only vegetarian in the team, should you eat meat just to fit in. Of course not. There is space within any team to cater for individual differences. Tolerance and understanding. That is how you help build a strong team, not forcing someone to go against their beliefs.
It wouldn’t be funny if the boomerangs came back and knocked them out
Isn't the whole point of a boomerang that you use it as a weapon to hit an animal or person. Not that it comes back to you. That is an urban myth.PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:31 pmIt wouldn’t be funny if the boomerangs came back and knocked them out
Or an Outback mythMax B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:03 pmIsn't the whole point of a boomerang that you use it as a weapon to hit an animal or person. Not that it comes back to you. That is an urban myth.
This time next year it will nearly be the World Cup and you can bet that there will be no protests from the players in Qatar.