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Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:59 am
by Long slender neck
How hard can it be to find these gangs when they advertise their services?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:00 am
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:43 am
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:30 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:18 am
Works for me
As I first thought, France just not willing to play ball. I cant say I blame them, why should they rescue so many who dont want to be in France and are putting themselves at risk?
Sacre Bleu!! Who would have thought that there exists a nation that doesn't want to break International Maritime Law.
Patel is already paying France £55 Million to try and stop the flow. If all the costs of preventing refugees getting here were used to fund an orderly resettlement programme it probably wouldn't cost much more.
But they're not willing/not rescuing them when they're in their waters, so that is breaking the law right?
No. By "not playing ball" they are preventing the UK government from breaking the law in the first instance.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:02 am
by Max B Gold
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:59 am
How hard can it be to find these gangs when they advertise their services?
Why not give it a go yourself and find out and report back to us instead of bombarding the Board with inane questions. Spamming is against Board rules. Ban yourself.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:03 am
by Mistadobalina
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:02 am
Kimpon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:15 pm
Many Labour MP’s, various ‘Commissions’ and revered Public Figures and Broadcasters. Easy enough to Google of course.
Go on then, give me some links as to why ornchurch believes this country is one of the most racist in the world.
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
A country can have an issue with racism and still be a better place for an asylum seeker to live than a warzone or economic catastrophe area.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:04 am
by Dunners
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:59 am
How hard can it be to find these gangs when they advertise their services?
The gangs are from a variety of locations (i.e. Ukraine, Iran, Vietnam) over which we have little or no jurisdiction/influence. Even in Turkey, where most transactions are conducted, there's not much we can do. Also, as one gang is disrupted, another will always replace it.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:06 am
by Long slender neck
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:00 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:43 am
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:30 am
Sacre Bleu!! Who would have thought that there exists a nation that doesn't want to break International Maritime Law.
Patel is already paying France £55 Million to try and stop the flow. If all the costs of preventing refugees getting here were used to fund an orderly resettlement programme it probably wouldn't cost much more.
But they're not willing/not rescuing them when they're in their waters, so that is breaking the law right?
No. By "not playing ball" they are preventing the UK government from breaking the law in the first instance.
As soon as they are in the water (thats in France) they need rescue, so its France who are breaking the law first.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:08 am
by Admin
Good thread here on the legality of Patel's latest populist but unlikely to be legal master-plan.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:08 am
by Currywurst and Chips
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:03 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:02 am
Go on then, give me some links as to why ornchurch believes this country is one of the most racist in the world.
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
A country can have an issue with racism and still be a better place for an asylum seeker to live than a warzone or economic catastrophe area.
Bit of a harsh description of Calais
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:29 am
by Ornchurch
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:03 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:02 am
Go on then, give me some links as to why ornchurch believes this country is one of the most racist in the world.
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
A country can have an issue with racism and still be a better place for an asylum seeker to live than a warzone or economic catastrophe area.
I thought that this country was becoming an economic catastrophe area. No?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:38 am
by Long slender neck
What are these people actually getting once they arrive? Presumably they get accommodation?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:56 am
by Kimpon
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:08 am
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:03 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
A country can have an issue with racism and still be a better place for an asylum seeker to live than a warzone or economic catastrophe area.
Bit of a harsh description of Calais
Yes , ‘As and when it suits’
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:05 pm
by Long slender neck
Admin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:08 am
Good thread here on the legality of Patel's latest populist but unlikely to be legal master-plan.
I can see why boat turning might not be legal, since it could only be done from our waters and if they're in our waters they have to be rescued. Could hinge on this
Rescued people must be treated humanely and delivered to a place of safety."
"a place of safety" is quite vague.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:02 am
Kimpon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:15 pm
Many Labour MP’s, various ‘Commissions’ and revered Public Figures and Broadcasters. Easy enough to Google of course.
Go on then, give me some links as to why ornchurch believes this country is one of the most racist in the world.
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
You realise that there can be racism and racists in our country, without it being The Most Racist Country in the World, right?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm
by Beradogs
What about selling self detonating Dinghies at the border? Designed to self combust in say 2 hours and before they get half way.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:10 pm
by tuffers#1
Kimpon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:56 am
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:08 am
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:03 am
A country can have an issue with racism and still be a better place for an asylum seeker to live than a warzone or economic catastrophe area.
Bit of a harsh description of Calais
Yes , ‘As and when it suits’
Calais is a Lovely place
Never any trouble for those who go there
From the UK
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:12 pm
by tuffers#1
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:06 am
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:00 am
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:43 am
But they're not willing/not rescuing them when they're in their waters, so that is breaking the law right?
No. By "not playing ball" they are preventing the UK government from breaking the law in the first instance.
As soon as they are in the water (thats in France) they need rescue, so its France who are breaking the law first.
But surely they are 9nly ever in English Waters
Being its the English Channel
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:14 pm
by Long slender neck
That high IQ shining brightly once again.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:15 pm
by Ornchurch
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 9:02 am
Go on then, give me some links as to why ornchurch believes this country is one of the most racist in the world.
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
You realise that there can be racism and racists in our country, without it being The Most Racist Country in the World, right?
I realise a lot of things. I also see us being the most self flagellating country in the world when it comes to this issue, especially when it comes to football.
It happened again the other night in Hungary. We can’t criticise the Hungarians too much because we have issues that we have to address ourselves whereas the Hungarians approach is to point the finger at us for what happened at the Euros.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:15 pm
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:12 pm
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:06 am
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:00 am
No. By "not playing ball" they are preventing the UK government from breaking the law in the first instance.
As soon as they are in the water (thats in France) they need rescue, so its France who are breaking the law first.
But surely they are 9nly ever in English Waters
Being its the English Channel
Bump them round to the Irish Sea then
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:24 pm
by Admin
Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:38 am
What are these people actually getting once they arrive? Presumably they get accommodation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53734793
This should help.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:40 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:15 pm
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
You realise that there can be racism and racists in our country, without it being The Most Racist Country in the World, right?
I realise a lot of things. I also see us being the most self flagellating country in the world when it comes to this issue, especially when it comes to football.
It happened again the other night in Hungary. We can’t criticise the Hungarians too much because we have issues that we have to address ourselves whereas the Hungarians approach is to point the finger at us for what happened at the Euros.
We can’t criticise the Hungarians too much?
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:52 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Admin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:08 am
Good thread here on the legality of Patel's latest populist but unlikely to be legal master-plan.
He says that they cannot be taken to somewhere where they maybe be persecuted. Maybe greyhound, Putney, Ornchurch and Bera are cleverer than we think and have found a loophole.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:57 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
Tbf, Dover is pretty harsh. Only place I've had someone try and rush me for parking in the wrong place
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:00 pm
by Mistadobalina
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:15 pm
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:51 am
Were the BLM protests not about racism in this country? The calls to defund the police? The removing of centuries old statues of ‘racists’? Even the the taking of the knee at sports events is about erasing racism. We even boo the national anthem of every team that visits Wembley. We must be one of the most racist countries in the world. No?
You realise that there can be racism and racists in our country, without it being The Most Racist Country in the World, right?
I realise a lot of things. I also see us being the most self flagellating country in the world when it comes to this issue, especially when it comes to football.
It happened again the other night in Hungary. We can’t criticise the Hungarians too much because we have issues that we have to address ourselves whereas the Hungarians approach is to point the finger at us for what happened at the Euros.
Think a country that is capable of reflecting on how it could do better on issues to do with race is in a better place than one that wants a slap on the back for no longer chucking banana skins at people playing a game or straight up shouting racial abuse.
Re: Migrants crossing the channel
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:21 pm
by Long slender neck
Housed and £40 a week by the looks of it while they wait for the claim to be processed, pass and the whole family can come over. Fail and we ask them nicely to leave while funding their appeal and ongoing living costs. You couldnt make it up!
