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Did you watch tonight’s game?PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:57 pm Another predictable, negative and boring display for most of the game.
We will be punished by any top level team.
Personally I woudnt watch England if I was given a free premium ticket and a chauffeur driven car there and back.
Sterling and Saka would have a field day against Germany's 3-5-2, but they'd absolutely murder a Rice - Phillips midfield. Czech's got into plenty of dangerous situations and had a fair number of half looks. Kimmich and Kroos would take that space and create a ton.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 pmWe weren’t playing a top level team though.PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:57 pm Another predictable, negative and boring display for most of the game.
We will be punished by any top level team.
Personally I woudnt watch England if I was given a free premium ticket and a chauffeur driven car there and back.
Southgate adjusts our play depending on who we are playing and what’s at stake. He is very pragmatic.
Teams that attack us and allow space will play into our hands with the players we have.
No they wouldn’tMistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:10 pmSterling and Saka would have a field day against Germany's 3-5-2, but they'd absolutely murder a Rice - Phillips midfield. Czech's got into plenty of dangerous situations and had a fair number of half looks. Kimmich and Kroos would take that space and create a ton.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 pmWe weren’t playing a top level team though.PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:57 pm Another predictable, negative and boring display for most of the game.
We will be punished by any top level team.
Personally I woudnt watch England if I was given a free premium ticket and a chauffeur driven car there and back.
Southgate adjusts our play depending on who we are playing and what’s at stake. He is very pragmatic.
Teams that attack us and allow space will play into our hands with the players we have.
Yes, unfortunately.Wally Banter wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:08 pmDid you watch tonight’s game?PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:57 pm Another predictable, negative and boring display for most of the game.
We will be punished by any top level team.
Personally I woudnt watch England if I was given a free premium ticket and a chauffeur driven car there and back.
Based on Germany's games so far, their defence is slow as hell and their wing backs leave acres of room open defensively. If Sterling gets the right supply, it's the sort of situation where he is most effective and his England form has been fantastic for a while now. England would still get mullered, both literally and figuratively as their midfield would dance rings around us, but we'd get our fair share of chances.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:46 pmNo they wouldn’tMistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:10 pmSterling and Saka would have a field day against Germany's 3-5-2, but they'd absolutely murder a Rice - Phillips midfield. Czech's got into plenty of dangerous situations and had a fair number of half looks. Kimmich and Kroos would take that space and create a ton.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:00 pm
We weren’t playing a top level team though.
Southgate adjusts our play depending on who we are playing and what’s at stake. He is very pragmatic.
Teams that attack us and allow space will play into our hands with the players we have.
I agree but germany would give us a bit of excitement before we went out.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:26 pmBased on Germany's games so far, their defence is slow as hell and their wing backs leave acres of room open defensively. If Sterling gets the right supply, it's the sort of situation where he is most effective and his England form has been fantastic for a while now. England would still get mullered, both literally and figuratively as their midfield would dance rings around us, but we'd get our fair share of chances.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:46 pmNo they wouldn’tMistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Sterling and Saka would have a field day against Germany's 3-5-2, but they'd absolutely murder a Rice - Phillips midfield. Czech's got into plenty of dangerous situations and had a fair number of half looks. Kimmich and Kroos would take that space and create a ton.
There's a lot of similarities to how we and Portugal set up imo, think the end result would be pretty similar.
Portugal who Germany comfortably beat 4-2 and who’s full back scored and the other got 2 assists?Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:26 pmBased on Germany's games so far, their defence is slow as hell and their wing backs leave acres of room open defensively. If Sterling gets the right supply, it's the sort of situation where he is most effective and his England form has been fantastic for a while now. England would still get mullered, both literally and figuratively as their midfield would dance rings around us, but we'd get our fair share of chances.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:46 pmNo they wouldn’tMistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:10 pm
Sterling and Saka would have a field day against Germany's 3-5-2, but they'd absolutely murder a Rice - Phillips midfield. Czech's got into plenty of dangerous situations and had a fair number of half looks. Kimmich and Kroos would take that space and create a ton.
There's a lot of similarities to how we and Portugal set up imo, think the end result would be pretty similar.
Yes but they still have Ronaldo .BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:39 pmPortugal who Germany comfortably beat 4-2 and who’s full back scored and the other got 2 assists?Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:26 pmBased on Germany's games so far, their defence is slow as hell and their wing backs leave acres of room open defensively. If Sterling gets the right supply, it's the sort of situation where he is most effective and his England form has been fantastic for a while now. England would still get mullered, both literally and figuratively as their midfield would dance rings around us, but we'd get our fair share of chances.
There's a lot of similarities to how we and Portugal set up imo, think the end result would be pretty similar.
Portugal who scored twice and got behind Germany's defence time and time again despite being totally outclassed. Clearly not saying I think it'd mean we'd win, but that playing on the counter against gung ho wing backs and a slow central defence is the sort of situation that suits our wingers pretty well.BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:39 pmPortugal who Germany comfortably beat 4-2 and who’s full back scored and the other got 2 assists?Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:26 pmBased on Germany's games so far, their defence is slow as hell and their wing backs leave acres of room open defensively. If Sterling gets the right supply, it's the sort of situation where he is most effective and his England form has been fantastic for a while now. England would still get mullered, both literally and figuratively as their midfield would dance rings around us, but we'd get our fair share of chances.
There's a lot of similarities to how we and Portugal set up imo, think the end result would be pretty similar.
How we go out next round will determine how fair the criticism has been imo. Playing ultra cautious football against mediocre opponents is hard to stomach once you inevitably go out against the first decent opponents you play, particularly when you've got the attacking options we have. Pragmatism is only popular when it gets you somewhere beyond what being more idealistic could.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:08 am State of this thread.
Think back to the 2014 WC, where we're eliminated in the group stage. 2016 we lose to Iceland. Southgate has since got us to a WC semi final and, so far this year, we've got through the group games without a loss or conceding a single goal.
England do not have the quality to win a tournament, but give the team and manager some f*cking credit.
Exactly. We're a decent, hard-to-beat, 2nd-tier national team. We're never going to set a tournament alight but, can usually expect to progress until we meet a 1st-tier team. At that point, unless we have an amazing day and they a horrid one, we're going out. Nothing to be ashamed of in that.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:25 am When was the last time we beat a top team in a major tournament though? I can only think of Argentina in the 2002 World Cup.
Any team with a midfield that can dominate possession is very likely to beat us
Can someone please tell the Engerland fans this.Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:31 amExactly. We're a decent, hard-to-beat, 2nd-tier national team. We're never going to set a tournament alight but, can usually expect to progress until we meet a 1st-tier team. At that point, unless we have an amazing day and they a horrid one, we're going out. Nothing to be ashamed of in that.Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:25 am When was the last time we beat a top team in a major tournament though? I can only think of Argentina in the 2002 World Cup.
Any team with a midfield that can dominate possession is very likely to beat us
I wonder if Saka will keep his place in the team, I hope so.Jack wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am i'm finding it hard to even watch England now. Its so boring.
As soon as an England player wins possession, in his own half, he's looking for a sideways or backwards pass, and it goes on and on.
Baka was the only player actually bursting to attack and get forwards, and no doubt Southgate will be looking to knock that trait out of him soon
There are no shackles to be taken off, who or what do you think is being held back?Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am I am hoping for an England/Germany tie. A proper game of football and Southgate takes the shackles off.
What about starting with Foden, Saka and Grealish? Drop Rice, for one. It seems to me that the afore mentioned three players go out on the pitch without fear. If we lose, we lose, but at least the good name of football is not ruined.one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:42 amThere are no shackles to be taken off, who or what do you think is being held back?Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:36 am I am hoping for an England/Germany tie. A proper game of football and Southgate takes the shackles off.
I'm hoping we get ripped apart and get shot of this defensive rubbish along with Southgate.
England have been consistent in their playing style throughout most of their history since the 1970s.