Exactly. Anyway if we stay in it won't matter who's in Government because both main parties will end up doing what Brussels tells them to do.
What Laws does the EU make for the UK?
Can you explain how it works please so that we can try to understand how much actual bollox you are talking.
Do your own research.
I had already but like other empty heads on the Brexit side he doesn't know how EU Law/ Directives are actually implemented in the UK and how most of them don't impact on much of our daily lives.
Historically initiatives like abolishing roaming charges and other pro worker or consumer ones were resisted by the UK.
I just wanted to give him the chance display his deep knowledge off the subject. But as usual it ends in disappointment as it's just another angry white man shouting at the top of his voice in an empty street.
Thor wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 12:00 pm
Really max.
Wilson government is generally accepted it failed, 3 day working week, union problems etc
Callaghan’s government left the country f***, I’ve never seen it worse than when he left.
Blair and Brown left the famous sorry there’s no money left
These are the labour governments in my lifetime and each one failed and left the country in a worse position than what it inherited. That’s not just my opinion, but a historical fact.
At least get your facts right...... It was Heath's Tory government that had the three day we week, not Wilson's Labour government
You are quite correct and I stand corrected. Got my timelines mixed up.
Think before posting, typical Tory and Brexit merchant when it comes to the truth
Can you explain how it works please so that we can try to understand how much actual bollox you are talking.
Do your own research.
I had already but like other empty heads on the Brexit side he doesn't know how EU Law/ Directives are actually implemented in the UK and how most of them don't impact on much of our daily lives.
Historically initiatives like abolishing roaming charges and other pro worker or consumer ones were resisted by the UK.
I just wanted to give him the chance display his deep knowledge off the subject. But as usual it ends in disappointment as it's just another angry white man shouting at the top of his voice in an empty street.
Oforever wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:56 pm
So voting should only be for those who understand the issues! Jesus wept.
Majority of the public including myself did not fully understand what the implications were of leaving. The racists thought they would be able to ship foreigners out. The older generation thought it would be like the old days and we would rule the waves again and for the rest they thought jobs would be handed back to them. All the above was never going to happen, but thanks to Boris and Farage and their NHS bus of lies people voted for pie in the sky. We now are looking into the abyss without a f*cking clue of what is going to happen for our kids future but yeah glad we all got the vote... Jesus wept.
Sh-t, you need to reassess your outlook on life frogger if this is how you see the world.
Ps. I also consider you're looking into the abyss if we stay in Europe. Heaven knows what Brussels has got mapped out for the future
All that link proves is S&P said what you required. But nothing in that story provides any proof.
Spen you must read what a person writes properly .
Proof was.provided that a study took place .
Now stop being a d*ckwad t*rd & annoy someone else on that table over there !!
The only proof is that S&P say it...that is no more proof than me saying the moon is made of green cheese.
No matter how many times you repeat a claim, it isn't proof
There is a story in the paper.
Proof that the story exists is the story in the paper
No other proof was offered for anything else other than the proof of the story in the paper .
As the paper exists both online & in physical form
We can conclude, there was a story that a study was
Indeed done , all i showed was that proof.
Proof a study is done is in both the physical & online form of proof in the story.
If you want proof of anything other than the story existing You'll have to eat the pudding yourself.
The old left wing socialists don’t like to provide proof, they just want to throw out there these outlandish claims not supported by facts.
I think you’ll be waiting a long time for an answer.
I had noticed @frogger hadn't responded yet to the simple request
What proof? The fact that nearly every Major bank has looked to take their business elsewhere? BAML, Barclays to name a few Not just banks but other business too.
Airbus prepared to closing down plants in Wales due no clear plans from the Tories.
British steel cut 400 jobs due to weak pound against the Euro. Ford motor company are prepared to close Essex plant and Wales if hard Brexit happens.
Growth of the economy slower and lower than other G7 countries since referendum. The wage that we get is worth less and not even close to inflation.
It’s fine to be optimistic but don’t be ignorant to what’s going on around us. By all means disagree but don’t deny the fact that this referendum has caused more problems than solutions.
The old left wing socialists don’t like to provide proof, they just want to throw out there these outlandish claims not supported by facts.
I think you’ll be waiting a long time for an answer.
I had noticed @frogger hadn't responded yet to the simple request
What proof? The fact that nearly every Major bank has looked to take their business elsewhere? BAML, Barclays to name a few Not just banks but other business too.
Airbus prepared to closing down plants in Wales due no clear plans from the Tories.
British steel cut 400 jobs due to weak pound against the Euro. Ford motor company are prepared to close Essex plant and Wales if hard Brexit happens.
Growth of the economy slower and lower than other G7 countries since referendum. The wage that we get is worth less and not even close to inflation.
It’s fine to be optimistic but don’t be ignorant to what’s going on around us. By all means disagree but don’t deny the fact that this referendum has caused more problems than solutions.
Dont forget Smart Brothers ( Bombadier) being sold off
Looks like when you quote historical "facts" you talk even more sh*t. The Financial institutions broke the country under Browns govt not the Labour Party. In fact if it wasn't for the swift decisive action by Brown and Darling to bail out the banks things would have been so much worse.
However, you fail to acknowledge that the labour government of that time failed to regulate the same financial institutions that they were calling on to be more heavily regulated under the tories. Two wrong don’t make a right. They screwed up and then had to bail them out.
So is this how it goes then. Businesses like banks cry out and complain about over regulation making their businesses unprofitable and globally uncompetitive. The solution they say is for less government oversight and self regulation. One or two query the self regulation but the banks respond by saying they are responsible adults and will manage it effectively because they are definately against distorting markets and want to protect customers. The govt of the day take their word for it but as soon as their backs are turned they lie, cheat and distort every piece of business available to them and rob their customers.
Labour should never have bought into self regulation and the light hand on the Tiller sh*t but it was the crooks in the banks who wrecked the economy and they're still at it to this day.
Not really is it max?
There were a a lot of people calling for self regulation of that I Ageee, so I’m not trying to doctor facts from that time. However, it is the GOVERNMENT of that times responsibility to decide what is right and what is wrong and what needs to be regulated.
I’m sure you will agree the labour government of that time time got it wrong.
ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 12:28 pm
At least get your facts right...... It was Heath's Tory government that had the three day we week, not Wilson's Labour government
You are quite correct and I stand corrected. Got my timelines mixed up.
Think before posting, typical Tory and Brexit merchant when it comes to the truth
I got the timelines wrong, run me over with a tractor.
The rest of my argument was correct, which you, max and others failed to contest.
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Oforever wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:56 pm
So voting should only be for those who understand the issues! Jesus wept.
Majority of the public including myself did not fully understand what the implications were of leaving. The racists thought they would be able to ship foreigners out. The older generation thought it would be like the old days and we would rule the waves again and for the rest they thought jobs would be handed back to them. All the above was never going to happen, but thanks to Boris and Farage and their NHS bus of lies people voted for pie in the sky. We now are looking into the abyss without a f*cking clue of what is going to happen for our kids future but yeah glad we all got the vote... Jesus wept.
Sh-t, you need to reassess your outlook on life frogger if this is how you see the world.
Ps. I also consider you're looking into the abyss if we stay in Europe. Heaven knows what Brussels has got mapped out for the future
Frogger if you never understood any of the implications of leaving then I suggest you read what the government of the time provides you with.
The old left wing socialists don’t like to provide proof, they just want to throw out there these outlandish claims not supported by facts.
I think you’ll be waiting a long time for an answer.
I had noticed @frogger hadn't responded yet to the simple request
What proof? The fact that nearly every Major bank has looked to take their business elsewhere? BAML, Barclays to name a few Not just banks but other business too.
Airbus prepared to closing down plants in Wales due no clear plans from the Tories.
British steel cut 400 jobs due to weak pound against the Euro. Ford motor company are prepared to close Essex plant and Wales if hard Brexit happens.
Growth of the economy slower and lower than other G7 countries since referendum. The wage that we get is worth less and not even close to inflation.
It’s fine to be optimistic but don’t be ignorant to what’s going on around us. By all means disagree but don’t deny the fact that this referendum has caused more problems than solutions.
Frogger please come up with pertinent facts not just some hersay.
Or we could just say the Norwegian sovereign fund is committing the biggest inward investment ever received in the world anywhere, ever, now I read that, but have not spoken to the fund managers concerned.
spen666 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 1:42 pm
I had noticed @frogger hadn't responded yet to the simple request
What proof? The fact that nearly every Major bank has looked to take their business elsewhere? BAML, Barclays to name a few Not just banks but other business too.
Airbus prepared to closing down plants in Wales due no clear plans from the Tories.
British steel cut 400 jobs due to weak pound against the Euro. Ford motor company are prepared to close Essex plant and Wales if hard Brexit happens.
Growth of the economy slower and lower than other G7 countries since referendum. The wage that we get is worth less and not even close to inflation.
It’s fine to be optimistic but don’t be ignorant to what’s going on around us. By all means disagree but don’t deny the fact that this referendum has caused more problems than solutions.
Frogger please come up with pertinent facts not just some hersay.
Or we could just say the Norwegian sovereign fund is committing the biggest inward investment ever received in the world anywhere, ever, now I read that, but have not spoken to the fund managers concerned.
So it must be true.
As I mentioned feel free to disagree. The facts are there, if you want to ignore them than more fool you. I am not here prove anything to you. I just state How it’s affected me and what I see i the news and how it’s effected my job.
Just for the record I am not an old socialist.
What Cameron offered was madness, a bit like giving all responsibility to my 3 year old to look after the family and provide for them. Sure I gave him a leaflet on what would happen if he didn’t pay the bills and what would happen if he decided to just eat sweets.... but he is just 3 and he doesn’t understand, just like most people at the time just didn’t understand BREXIT.
Democracy is great but some things should not be left up to the public to decide. I voted for a government to make those hard choices for us because we are not in a position to make an informed choice, regardless of what some clever people on here think.
And the fact that orders seized up due to the uncertainty of Brexit, the same government increasing energy costs on the industry... they didn’t give a sh*t about British Steel.
The EU was not the only reason this industry failed.
Frogger wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:51 pm
And the fact that orders seized up due to the uncertainty of Brexit, the same government increasing energy costs on the industry... they didn’t give a sh*t about British Steel.
The EU was not the only reason this industry failed.
And why is their uncertainty about Brexit?
Oh yes that's right, it's because the remain supporting MPs are doing heir best to thwart the result of the referendum by trying to prevent Brexit.
Frogger wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 9:04 pm
What proof? The fact that nearly every Major bank has looked to take their business elsewhere? BAML, Barclays to name a few Not just banks but other business too.
Airbus prepared to closing down plants in Wales due no clear plans from the Tories.
British steel cut 400 jobs due to weak pound against the Euro. Ford motor company are prepared to close Essex plant and Wales if hard Brexit happens.
Growth of the economy slower and lower than other G7 countries since referendum. The wage that we get is worth less and not even close to inflation.
It’s fine to be optimistic but don’t be ignorant to what’s going on around us. By all means disagree but don’t deny the fact that this referendum has caused more problems than solutions.
Frogger please come up with pertinent facts not just some hersay.
Or we could just say the Norwegian sovereign fund is committing the biggest inward investment ever received in the world anywhere, ever, now I read that, but have not spoken to the fund managers concerned.
So it must be true.
As I mentioned feel free to disagree. The facts are there, if you want to ignore them than more fool you. I am not here prove anything to you.?....
The facts as your them are not there Hough.
The facts are merely people or groups spouting opinions to suit there agenda.
We are still awaiting the proof of the £66bn loss you claim. Your "facts" in support of this is a newspaper article quoting an opinion piece by S&,P. That isn't a fact.
Frogger please come up with pertinent facts not just some hersay.
Or we could just say the Norwegian sovereign fund is committing the biggest inward investment ever received in the world anywhere, ever, now I read that, but have not spoken to the fund managers concerned.
So it must be true.
As I mentioned feel free to disagree. The facts are there, if you want to ignore them than more fool you. I am not here prove anything to you.?....
The facts as your them are not there Hough.
The facts are merely people or groups spouting opinions to suit there agenda.
We are still awaiting the proof of the £66bn loss you claim. Your "facts" in support of this is a newspaper article quoting an opinion piece by S&,P. That isn't a fact.
Not sure what you deem as “proof” but if the financial experts, bank and industry leaders comments or results are not adequate then it will be a little hard for me to show “proof”.
BREXIT we can all agree has been an utter disaster from start to present date. Cameron started it, Farage sh*t stirred it some more, Boris gave it another good stir, the public voted on lies and inaccurate predictions and promises that could not be made without some degree of a gamble. May failed miserably to make a deal, labour and the Tories again showed how incapable they both are at leading a country, and then Farage gave the pot another massive stir.
Leave or remain this country has been damaged and it will take a long long time before things settle down. One thing I do know is that if Cameron didn’t promise this pointless referendum none of this would have happened.
As I mentioned feel free to disagree. The facts are there, if you want to ignore them than more fool you. I am not here prove anything to you.?....
The facts as your them are not there Hough.
The facts are merely people or groups spouting opinions to suit there agenda.
We are still awaiting the proof of the £66bn loss you claim. Your "facts" in support of this is a newspaper article quoting an opinion piece by S&,P. That isn't a fact.
Not sure what you deem as “proof” but if the financial experts, bank and industry leaders comments or results are not adequate then it will be a little hard for me to show “proof”.
BREXIT we can all agree has been an utter disaster from start to present date. Cameron started it, Farage sh*t stirred it some more, Boris gave it another good stir, the public voted on lies and inaccurate predictions and promises that could not be made without some degree of a gamble. May failed miserably to make a deal, labour and the Tories again showed how incapable they both are at leading a country, and then Farage gave the pot another massive stir.
Leave or remain this country has been damaged and it will take a long long time before things settle down. One thing I do know is that if Cameron didn’t promise this pointless referendum none of this would have happened.
More bullshit and opinion posted as fact.
You quoted a figure of £66bn loss. Let's see the proof of this figure. Proof s not some random comment or opinion column. Where is the calculations behind this figure? Where is the source data. Any genuine figure should be capable of being supported by the underlying data.
Strangely you are reluctant to provide the evidence of the calculations of this figure.
We can't all agree Brexit has been a disaster from the start. Some people would disagree, so once again it seems you are posting your opinion as fact.
Then of course, you ignore the fact that there has not as yet been any Brexit so it can't be a disaster as the actions of remain MPs are preventing a Brexit taking place. Thus if there is a disaster (& I disagree there is a disaster) then it is not caused by Brexit but by the anti democratic actions of the remain MPs refusing to allow the result of the referendum to be implemented
What are you going on about? The cry baby remoaners have been 'stirring' it ever since they lost.