Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Celtient wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:11 pm She was 15 years old when she went to join these people. Fifteen. When I was 15 in 1975 I wanted to join the IRA. Logistically it would have been tough for me to make my way from NE Scotland to N Ireland on a paperboy's wage so I decided to wait until I was 17 and working and earning a wage. By the time I was 17, I was older and slightly wiser and, although still sympathetic to the cause, couldn't imagine myself actually killing someone, so gave it a miss. My point is, most of us have silly thoughts when we are young. It doesn't mean that this young woman is necessarily evil, she was maybe just a silly young girl

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:00 am Also, how is NU these days, just out of interest?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:59 am Just for contrast https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/younges ... uals-stash

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:34 am The thing is, you can detest Shamina Begum, her beliefs and actions.

You can justifiably doubt her motivations and sincerity, her claims for remorse and the crassness of the Union Jack cushion in that photo.

You can be concerned about any risk she may present to the UK and the message allowing her back will send to others like her.

You can question the cultural backdrop in which the actions of ISIS were perceived as anything but abhorrent.

You can also scoff at the ridiculous false equivalence with genuine victims of grooming, or the usual misdemeanours of most teenagers.

But you should be concerned that the government has not only stripped someone of their citizenship, but also denied them a chance to a fair hearing to review that decision. Our society which, for all its faults, I believe is one of the best in the world, is based upon the rule of law. Yet justice is being denied.

If we're better than ISIS and numerous other backward countries, then we owe it to ourselves to bring Shamina back and not leave others to have to deal with our problems.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:05 pm The SC considered the specific point of whether she should be entitled to return to the UK to attend an appeal hearing. They've made their reasoning clear. But my opinion is considering things from a wider perspective.