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Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:08 pm
by soloman
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:39 pm
soloman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:33 pm
I would imagine that half the players that take a knee don't know why they do . Some of it is pier pressure ,not wanting to be the odd one out or look bad to the media. Most of them are hypocrites anyway, going down on one knee one moment then feigning injury the next trying to get their "Fellow" player sent off .It's the sort of thing that ruins players and in some cases ,managers careers. But they don't care about that do they.
The campaign should have been called All Lives Matter , no matter what colour or creed.
If it had been called All Lives Matter would you have been OK with the kneeling then?
Enjoyed the part where you said players taking a stand against racism is obviously hypocritical due to the fact some feign injury. More reach than Lennox Lewis, that.
Most of them do not give a flying f*** ,just doing the kneeling bit out of habit and the public aren't taking much notice anymore . If you cant see that you must be blind .
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:08 pm
by Mistadobalina
A presumably white guy tells black players and their colleagues how to run their campaign, then can't understand what the problems with racism in society are.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:12 pm
by Thor
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:36 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:19 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:44 pm
I was sent a video on WhatsApp yesterday of Charlton Palmer talking about racism when he played, like he said its not changed one iota. He was quite clear that he has suffered for work for standing up for Big Ron and that the BBC would never have him working there as they are the most racist media platform out there!
The BBC racist? Really? Look at the make up of their presenters lately.
Perhaps Carlton Palmer is just not good enough to be employed by the BBC but rather than accept the fact it must be because of his skin colour.
Alex Scott , jermaine jenas , Dion Dublin , Jermaine Beckford,
Ian Wright Wright , im sure there are a couple more black
former players working at the beeb .
Thorbin does know how to show himself up .
Tokenism tuffers that's all they are doing.
Look at the highest paid person / presenter at the BBC zone Ball - really? She is useless, but it fits their agenda to say look we have made a women the highest paid. Is she worth it? Nope rubbish presenter and host.
Until recently where were all these women presenters? Black presenters? Nowhere by and large.
I was listening to Eddie Nestor on Radio London and he was talking about equality for black people in TV and radio and he said and I quote "before BLM started I was never offered any work outside of my main job, now and I suspect its because of my skin colour I have been offered more work than I could have ever imagined. Radio, TV, commercials everything. The telling point will be will these offers still be forthcoming in a year? I suspect not, but only time Will tell"
So why would he think like that then tuffers?
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:16 pm
by PoliticOs
soloman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:08 pm
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:39 pm
soloman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:33 pm
I would imagine that half the players that take a knee don't know why they do . Some of it is pier pressure ,not wanting to be the odd one out or look bad to the media. Most of them are hypocrites anyway, going down on one knee one moment then feigning injury the next trying to get their "Fellow" player sent off .It's the sort of thing that ruins players and in some cases ,managers careers. But they don't care about that do they.
The campaign should have been called All Lives Matter , no matter what colour or creed.
If it had been called All Lives Matter would you have been OK with the kneeling then?
Enjoyed the part where you said players taking a stand against racism is obviously hypocritical due to the fact some feign injury. More reach than Lennox Lewis, that.
Most of them do not give a flying f*** ,just doing the kneeling bit out of habit and the public aren't taking much notice anymore . If you cant see that you must be blind .
No, you've definitely not noticed, nor been annoyed by it.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:21 pm
by tuffers#1
Thor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:12 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:36 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:19 pm
The BBC racist? Really? Look at the make up of their presenters lately.
Perhaps Carlton Palmer is just not good enough to be employed by the BBC but rather than accept the fact it must be because of his skin colour.
Alex Scott , jermaine jenas , Dion Dublin , Jermaine Beckford,
Ian Wright Wright , im sure there are a couple more black
former players working at the beeb .
Thorbin does know how to show himself up .
Tokenism tuffers that's all they are doing.
Look at the highest paid person / presenter at the BBC zone Ball - really? She is useless, but it fits their agenda to say look we have made a women the highest paid. Is she worth it? Nope rubbish presenter and host.
Until recently where were all these women presenters? Black presenters? Nowhere by and large.
I was listening to Eddie Nestor on Radio London and he was talking about equality for black people in TV and radio and he said and I quote "before BLM started I was never offered any work outside of my main job, now and I suspect its because of my skin colour I have been offered more work than I could have ever imagined. Radio, TV, commercials everything. The telling point will be will these offers still be forthcoming in a year? I suspect not, but only time Will tell"
So why would he think like that then tuffers?
Thorby
Tokenism
Garth Crooks 20 years ago was tokenism .
He led the way others followed .
Zoe Ball useless ?
Based on what ?
On opinion ?
Audience figures ?
What ?
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:27 pm
by A Pedant
Indeed. Maybe it's because it's the time of year for classic repeats? So far in this thread we've had the "I'm booing against the movement" argument, the "I'm not racist, but I'm bored of it" argument, the "But young people aren't racist!" argument, and of course the "All Lives Matter!" argument. All rehashed from before.
Racism hasn't gone away. If the players want to kneel before every game until further notice, then go for it.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
by EastDerehamO
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:16 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:39 pm
If someone boos this anti racist gesture they are a racist. Its as simple as that.
If they come to Orient and do it I will ask the club to ban then in line with their stated values and practice regarding this matter.
100% agree, there can be no ifs or buts.
Cant say it any better than this
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:55 pm
by EastDerehamO
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:16 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 pm
100% agree, there can be no ifs or buts.
Cant say it any better than this
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does not imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:55 pm
by tuffers#1
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:16 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 pm
100% agree, there can be no ifs or buts.
Cant say it any better than this
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Free speech ?
We arent in America & we have no 1st amendment.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:02 pm
by Oiram
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:55 pm
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:16 pm
Cant say it any better than this
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does not imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Nice chip shop in Dereham next to the Cinema.
Bet it is still there. Hope the Cinema is also and surviving the lockdowns.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:02 pm
by Max B Gold
soloman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:33 pm
I would imagine that half the players that take a knee don't know why they do . Some of it is pier pressure ,not wanting to be the odd one out or look bad to the media. Most of them are hypocrites anyway, going down on one knee one moment then feigning injury the next trying to get their "Fellow" player sent off .It's the sort of thing that ruins players and in some cases ,managers careers. But they don't care about that do they.
The campaign should have been called All Lives Matter , no matter what colour or creed.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:12 pm
by Thor
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:21 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:12 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:36 pm
Alex Scott , jermaine jenas , Dion Dublin , Jermaine Beckford,
Ian Wright Wright , im sure there are a couple more black
former players working at the beeb .
Thorbin does know how to show himself up .
Tokenism tuffers that's all they are doing.
Look at the highest paid person / presenter at the BBC zone Ball - really? She is useless, but it fits their agenda to say look we have made a women the highest paid. Is she worth it? Nope rubbish presenter and host.
Until recently where were all these women presenters? Black presenters? Nowhere by and large.
I was listening to Eddie Nestor on Radio London and he was talking about equality for black people in TV and radio and he said and I quote "before BLM started I was never offered any work outside of my main job, now and I suspect its because of my skin colour I have been offered more work than I could have ever imagined. Radio, TV, commercials everything. The telling point will be will these offers still be forthcoming in a year? I suspect not, but only time Will tell"
So why would he think like that then tuffers?
Thorby
Tokenism
Garth Crooks 20 years ago was tokenism .
He led the way others followed .
Zoe Ball useless ?
Based on what ?
On opinion ?
Audience figures ?
What ?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/radio ... ing-raise/
So that’s wasted money on a useless dj that’s mine and 1.3m yes million people agree with me.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm
by PutneyO
Oiram, in all seriousness I actually agree with you, I was just taking the p out of all the snowflakes here.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:52 pm
by Oiram
PutneyO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm
Oiram, in all seriousness I actually agree with you, I was just taking the p out of all the snowflakes here.
Sorry and thanks, nothing surprises me with some of these chaps here! Some seem so sensitive at times! I kind of sensed it with the ‘italic font’. How you managed that is beyond me!
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:55 pm
by tuffers#1
Thor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:12 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:21 pm
Thor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:12 pm
Tokenism tuffers that's all they are doing.
Look at the highest paid person / presenter at the BBC zone Ball - really? She is useless, but it fits their agenda to say look we have made a women the highest paid. Is she worth it? Nope rubbish presenter and host.
Until recently where were all these women presenters? Black presenters? Nowhere by and large.
I was listening to Eddie Nestor on Radio London and he was talking about equality for black people in TV and radio and he said and I quote "before BLM started I was never offered any work outside of my main job, now and I suspect its because of my skin colour I have been offered more work than I could have ever imagined. Radio, TV, commercials everything. The telling point will be will these offers still be forthcoming in a year? I suspect not, but only time Will tell"
So why would he think like that then tuffers?
Thorby
Tokenism
Garth Crooks 20 years ago was tokenism .
He led the way others followed .
Zoe Ball useless ?
Based on what ?
On opinion ?
Audience figures ?
What ?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/radio ... ing-raise/
So that’s wasted money on a useless dj that’s mine and 1.3m yes million people agree with me.
So Professor Thorby
Just so we are CLEAR ,
You are talking about a DJ with a dwindling radio brekfast show &
Nit about Tokenism of balck presenters on the Beeb or about
Fans booing or not in general happy about players taking the Knee .
Ok fella
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:58 pm
by tuffers#1
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:52 pm
PutneyO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm
Oiram, in all seriousness I actually agree with you, I was just taking the p out of all the snowflakes here.
Sorry and thanks, nothing surprises me with some of these chaps here! Some seem so sensitive at times! I kind of sensed it with the ‘italic font’. How you managed that is beyond me!
its easy enough Oiram
YOU CAN EVEN CHANGE THE SIZE OF FONT ,
EVEN better to see all my SPELLIN MISTEAKS !!
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:02 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
PutneyO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm
Oiram, in all seriousness I actually agree with you, I was just taking the p out of all the snowflakes here.
All the snowflakes wetting their pants because some footballers bend down onto one knee for 3 seconds before a game?
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:03 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:16 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 pm
100% agree, there can be no ifs or buts.
Cant say it any better than this
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Is there any need to boo though? Bit disrespectful ain’t it?
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:43 pm
by Oiram
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:58 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:52 pm
PutneyO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm
Oiram, in all seriousness I actually agree with you, I was just taking the p out of all the snowflakes here.
Sorry and thanks, nothing surprises me with some of these chaps here! Some seem so sensitive at times! I kind of sensed it with the ‘italic font’. How you managed that is beyond me!
its easy enough Oiram
YOU CAN EVEN CHANGE THE SIZE OF FONT ,
EVEN better to see all my SPELLIN MISTEAKS !!
You must be one of those graphic designers or computer geeks? How do you do that?
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:50 am
by PutneyO
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:52 pm
PutneyO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm
Oiram, in all seriousness I actually agree with you, I was just taking the p out of all the snowflakes here.
Sorry and thanks, nothing surprises me with some of these chaps here! Some seem so sensitive at times! I kind of sensed it with the ‘italic font’. How you managed that is beyond me!
The worrying thing is that the snowflakes didn't even pick up on the fact that I was taking the mick out of them
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:10 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
PutneyO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:50 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:52 pm
PutneyO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm
Oiram, in all seriousness I actually agree with you, I was just taking the p out of all the snowflakes here.
Sorry and thanks, nothing surprises me with some of these chaps here! Some seem so sensitive at times! I kind of sensed it with the ‘italic font’. How you managed that is beyond me!
The worrying thing is that the snowflakes didn't even pick up on the fact that I was taking the mick out of them
Yeah, your high brow wit went over everyone’s head
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:13 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:16 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:49 pm
100% agree, there can be no ifs or buts.
Cant say it any better than this
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Not sure that contradicts anything Max said.
Interestingly you’ve said in one line that people should have free speech, and in the next you’ve said you’d want someone arrested for doing so!?
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:44 am
by EastDerehamO
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:02 pm
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:55 pm
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does not imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Nice chip shop in Dereham next to the Cinema.
Bet it is still there. Hope the Cinema is also and surviving the lockdowns.
Chip shop under new owners from about a year back, but still doing a roaring trade, and yes cinema still there
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:01 am
by EastDerehamO
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:13 am
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:52 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:16 pm
Cant say it any better than this
It is perfectly valid to hold a view that sport and politics shouldn't mix, it does imply that one a racialist, and if one wants to express that opinion verbally it's an affront to free speech if they can't. If they start making racialistic insults or threats that is against the law and I'd want to see the person arrested as much as you all would, but you can't close down free speech to make people agree with you, for that's a very dangerous path to be on.
Not sure that contradicts anything Max said.
Interestingly you’ve said in one line that people should have free speech, and in the next you’ve said you’d want someone arrested for doing so!?
To clarify it always has to be free speech within the law, one can't go around threatening and abusing people for example, that's just wrong and is an offence (and rightly so). Booing isn't an offence, it is an expression of disagreement, and that right to free speech (within the law) must be maintained. I’d suggest existing laws on race and free speech are good enough, let’s not try to rewrite them for within football grounds.
Re: Time for kneeling to stop?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:31 am
by Oiram
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:44 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:02 pm
Nice chip shop in Dereham next to the Cinema.
Bet it is still there. Hope the Cinema is also and surviving the lockdowns.
Chip shop under new owners from about a year back, but still doing a roaring trade, and yes cinema still there
Nice to hear that! Used to go there regularly to shop, especially market day. Nice coffee in that old Portuguese cafe that has been there years. I had a holiday home near Bawdeswell
for years. Do miss going there, may buy another one day. So easy to get there from the hustle and bustle of London. Always enjoyed Christmas up there and the Kings Arms in Reepham.
