Myles Judd

[AckneyAwks]

To have two strikers like Bonne and Koroma in our team at National League level we can count ourselves lucky. Bonne developed his skills before coming to the Orient but improved and matured under Justin.
Josh Koroma learned his trade here and also improved considerably.
Confidence is 90% of your game and without it you will struggle. Good advice and encouragement is a major part in the players developement.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Judd

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Ling

Of course its true !!

Judd 58 appearances

Ling jnr 50 appearances

You think it’s fair to use the time when he was thrown under the bus by a mental owner? Just shows how low you will go to stick up for Ling Jnr.

Ling jnr was part of the O's back then wasnt he ?

He was lucky to get out for a year or 2.

Yep, Ling was here back then. Nowhere near the first team despite being 3 years older than Judd and released shortly before his 20th birthday. (Judd had made his debut shortly after turning 16, as it happens).

Judds development has been massively hampered these past 3 seasons.

[tuffers#1]

You think it’s fair to use the time when he was thrown under the bus by a mental owner? Just shows how low you will go to stick up for Ling Jnr.

Ling jnr was part of the O's back then wasnt he ?

He was lucky to get out for a year or 2.

Yep, Ling was here back then. Nowhere near the first team despite being 3 years older than Judd and released shortly before his 20th birthday. (Judd had made his debut shortly after turning 16, as it happens).

Judds development has been massively hampered these past 3 seasons.

Ling Career total L 97 g 5 f.a 5 fa g0 flc 0 flg 0 other 7 otg 0 total apps 109 total goals 5 ( England C cap 1 )


Judd Career total L 49 g 0 fac 3 facg 0 lc 0 lc g 0 oth4 oth g 0 tot 56 tot g 0 ( England C cap 0)


I hear everyone bang on about how good judd is going foward attacking etc yet he hasn't scored a goal

Ling has had 5 career golas & created a good few as well

The Only thing hampering Judd is Judd !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Ling

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Judd

[Thor]

Tuffers why have you got such a downer on Judd?

Are you sure you are not Ada?

[tuffers#1]

I have no downer on Juddy Thor .

Lots of people have a downer on Ling

Im just offering balance between 2 very ordinary
Football players of limited talent & ability

[Dohnut]

I have no downer on Juddy Thor .

Lots of people have a downer on Ling

Im just offering balance between 2 very ordinary
Football players of limited talent & ability

Nothing to do with people having a downer on Ling Junior. If you think that you are missing the point.

It’s about a, as you say, a player of limited ability consistently getting games ahead of another player of different limited ability but one who offers different, maybe more attractive, attributes and who got slagged off by Ling Snr.

And as Fletchergate proved, Ling Junior isn’t averse to sharing in a bit of tittle-tattle with Ling Senior about squad matters. So we have Senior who openly criticises Judd and Junior who criticises the new manager who then gets binned. Nice. Professional, not.

Since Sam Lings arrival Judd it seems to me has never had a fair chance, a decent run of games, to show what he can do. He gets the odd bit parts when ring rusty. And the contract extension just before a new manager comes in, including the publicity that went along with it. All stinks mate.

[tuffers#1]

I have no downer on Juddy Thor .

Lots of people have a downer on Ling

Im just offering balance between 2 very ordinary
Football players of limited talent & ability

Nothing to do with people having a downer on Ling Junior. If you think that you are missing the point.

It’s about a, as you say, a player of limited ability consistently getting games ahead of another player of different limited ability but one who offers different, maybe more attractive, attributes and who got slagged off by Ling Snr.

And as Fletchergate proved, Ling Junior isn’t averse to sharing in a bit of tittle-tattle with Ling Senior about squad matters. So we have Senior who openly criticises Judd and Junior who criticises the new manager who then gets binned. Nice. Professional, not.

Since Sam Lings arrival Judd it seems to me has never had a fair chance, a decent run of games, to show what he can do. He gets the odd bit parts when ring rusty. And the contract extension just before a new manager comes in, including the publicity that went along with it. All stinks mate.

Judd has played more games for O's than ling .
How many times does it need repeating .


Otherwise just lots of waffle there from

[Confucius]

I have no downer on Juddy Thor .

Lots of people have a downer on Ling

Im just offering balance between 2 very ordinary
Football players of limited talent & ability

Nothing to do with people having a downer on Ling Junior. If you think that you are missing the point.

It’s about a, as you say, a player of limited ability consistently getting games ahead of another player of different limited ability but one who offers different, maybe more attractive, attributes and who got slagged off by Ling Snr.

And as Fletchergate proved, Ling Junior isn’t averse to sharing in a bit of tittle-tattle with Ling Senior about squad matters. So we have Senior who openly criticises Judd and Junior who criticises the new manager who then gets binned. Nice. Professional, not.

Since Sam Lings arrival Judd it seems to me has never had a fair chance, a decent run of games, to show what he can do. He gets the odd bit parts when ring rusty. And the contract extension just before a new manager comes in, including the publicity that went along with it. All stinks mate.

Judd has played more games for O's than ling .
How many times does it need repeating .


Otherwise just lots of waffle there from

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[LittleMate]

I have no downer on Juddy Thor .

Lots of people have a downer on Ling

Im just offering balance between 2 very ordinary
Football players of limited talent & ability

Nothing to do with people having a downer on Ling Junior. If you think that you are missing the point.

It’s about a, as you say, a player of limited ability consistently getting games ahead of another player of different limited ability but one who offers different, maybe more attractive, attributes and who got slagged off by Ling Snr.

And as Fletchergate proved, Ling Junior isn’t averse to sharing in a bit of tittle-tattle with Ling Senior about squad matters. So we have Senior who openly criticises Judd and Junior who criticises the new manager who then gets binned. Nice. Professional, not.

Since Sam Lings arrival Judd it seems to me has never had a fair chance, a decent run of games, to show what he can do. He gets the odd bit parts when ring rusty. And the contract extension just before a new manager comes in, including the publicity that went along with it. All stinks mate.

How did Fletchergate prove that junior was running to daddy? I thought a lot of what happened in Fletcher's time was fairly open - and largely generated by Fletcher trying to change too many people or too much too soon. Didn't need junior to run to daddy ad I'm not aware of any evidence proving he did so.

[Thor]

My recollection (from what snr said) was not that he ran to dad, but dad asked him a question in thier home and he answered him honestly. Thats a big difference between whats been said above and what I recall, maybe people don't rate junior, but I wouldnt say hes a grass or a sneak.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Dad shouldn’t be putting son in that position if things really are as arms length as they all claim.

Which of course they ain’t.

[Dohnut]

I have no downer on Juddy Thor .

Lots of people have a downer on Ling

Im just offering balance between 2 very ordinary
Football players of limited talent & ability

Nothing to do with people having a downer on Ling Junior. If you think that you are missing the point.

It’s about a, as you say, a player of limited ability consistently getting games ahead of another player of different limited ability but one who offers different, maybe more attractive, attributes and who got slagged off by Ling Snr.

And as Fletchergate proved, Ling Junior isn’t averse to sharing in a bit of tittle-tattle with Ling Senior about squad matters. So we have Senior who openly criticises Judd and Junior who criticises the new manager who then gets binned. Nice. Professional, not.

Since Sam Lings arrival Judd it seems to me has never had a fair chance, a decent run of games, to show what he can do. He gets the odd bit parts when ring rusty. And the contract extension just before a new manager comes in, including the publicity that went along with it. All stinks mate.

How did Fletchergate prove that junior was running to daddy? I thought a lot of what happened in Fletcher's time was fairly open - and largely generated by Fletcher trying to change too many people or too much too soon. Didn't need junior to run to daddy ad I'm not aware of any evidence proving he did so.

Ling Senior said so in an interview. Junior relayed to him the feelings in the players camp. Ling Senior was at great pains to say this wasn’t normal and he generally didn’t talk club football with Junior. But on this occasion he did. That, in my opinion, is definitely out of order. Using his privileged Position to go behind Fletcher’s back, stabbing him in the back. Nasty.

If the players had issues the right route is for the club captain to take players feelings up with Fletcher first allowing Fletcher to modify his behaviour should he want too and only then take it to Ling Senior if no joy. Due process.

For a club that boasts an honest and open culture, the Lings behaved badly. You have to wonder how often this sort of thing actually went on!

If Ling senior asked Junior, that is outrageous for a Director to put his son in that position. If his son had an ounce of integrity over this matter he should not have answered. However you slice it and dice it, the Lings a abused their relationship and the club.

[PoliticOs]

Interesting that you assume a due process did not take place. Seems quite a bit of gymnastics going on there to find fault. Surely R0ss is at fault too? Not sure why, but he's had a quiet day of blame today, have a quick kick.

[Dohnut]

Interesting that you assume a due process did not take place. Seems quite a bit of gymnastics going on there to find fault. Surely R0ss is at fault too? Not sure why, but he's had a quiet day of blame today, have a quick kick.

The club consistently and rightly in my opinion talk about process. The Lings discussing Fletcher and his shortcomings behind his back is not due process. It’s absolutely wrong.

Such behaviour has the potential to create ill feelings and uncertainty within the club. People need to feel free to express their views without the fear that son will run to daddy, or grass them up if asked.

Not nice, not professional. Senior should know better. I trust Travis has made that clear.

[PoliticOs]

You don't know the process, and you don't know the process hasn't been followed. You suggested the process is the club captain route, what if that had happened? What if they have a players committee and SL is on it? I don't know, neither do you.

What I do know, with certainty, is that Martin Ling and R0ss Embleton are in the wrong. And Paul Brush.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Interesting that you assume a due process did not take place. Seems quite a bit of gymnastics going on there to find fault. Surely R0ss is at fault too? Not sure why, but he's had a quiet day of blame today, have a quick kick.

The club consistently and rightly in my opinion talk about process. The Lings discussing Fletcher and his shortcomings behind his back is not due process. It’s absolutely wrong.

Such behaviour has the potential to create ill feelings and uncertainty within the club. People need to feel free to express their views without the fear that son will run to daddy, or grass them up if asked.

Not nice, not professional. Senior should know better. I trust Travis has made that clear.

Why is it wrong for the director of football (who presumably the head coach reports to) to find out how the squad were feeling about the head coach? Particularly if he also had doubts.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Because he demonstrated with Fletcher that he used his acquired information in an unethical way and then went on an undercover investigation as others in this thread have confirmed

Like others I agree it was not correct - it breeched many traditional and conventional conduits of employment processes and from what has been reported Fletcher was not given a fair chance or had any reasonable support

The whole event created an air of bias and I believe those traits will be evident with other staff at lofc in the current employment of Ling senior - irrespective of how he is well perceived and praised by Nigel all the time

Others in this thread haven't confirmed that he went on an undercover investigation. Nor does it go against conventional conduits of employment processes to ask someone further down a chain of command/on a different chain about what they think about their manager when their manager reports to you.

I''ve listened to the 8 minute interview with Ling after Fletcher was fired and there was no mention of this; would appreciate if someone can direct me to the other interview he gave where he mentions asking Sam Ling, or Sam Ling bringing it up.

[HARVEY T DENTON]

Also, Ling haters state that he's in the dressing room on match days, at the training ground etc, would he not have picked up on the bad feelings?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Also, Ling haters state that he's in the dressing room on match days, at the training ground etc, would he not have picked up on the bad feelings?

In the 8 minute interview he says "the feeling at the training ground didn't give the feeling of an Orient training ground". He clearly knew there was a problem and that things had to change due to a number of different things, so to focus on conversations with players and claims of undercover investigations smells to me of confirmation bias.

Still interested to hear this other interview though.

[Dohnut]

Interesting that you assume a due process did not take place. Seems quite a bit of gymnastics going on there to find fault. Surely R0ss is at fault too? Not sure why, but he's had a quiet day of blame today, have a quick kick.

The club consistently and rightly in my opinion talk about process. The Lings discussing Fletcher and his shortcomings behind his back is not due process. It’s absolutely wrong.

Such behaviour has the potential to create ill feelings and uncertainty within the club. People need to feel free to express their views without the fear that son will run to daddy, or grass them up if asked.

Not nice, not professional. Senior should know better. I trust Travis has made that clear.

Why is it wrong for the director of football (who presumably the head coach reports to) to find out how the squad were feeling about the head coach? Particularly if he also had doubts.

There is absolutely no reason why the DoF should not know what is going on. Far from it. But in any business, not just football, it cannot be allowed to happen in a way that undermines people and creates distrust.

Junior, reporting to Fletch who in turn reports to Senior is a very sensitive situation. It must be handled carefully. If not it makes Fletcher’s position untenable. This is not a football issue but a management hierarchy issue. Basic management. It’s a tricky situation when family becomes involved.

[Thor]

Also, Ling haters state that he's in the dressing room on match days, at the training ground etc, would he not have picked up on the bad feelings?

His appearance came much later, probably for timeline purposes prior to Danny Webbgate.

[Dohnut]

In fairness I am definitely not a Ling hater, Senior and Junior. In fact Ling Senior can take a lot of credit for our promotion in my opinion. I have no issue with us having a DoF.

But personally I don’t really see him as Senior management material in the way we may view the likes of Porter, Macklin or the Board. He just cannot seem to handle matters in a way you would expect of a senior manager, certainly not a Director. A liability in front of a microphone. Indiscrete, meandering on irrelevant things like his past history, constant comments on how busy he is and aggressive/defensive when challenged.

Best left to do what he does well with his interviews kept to a minimum. It’s just not his thing.

[tuffers#1]

In fairness I am definitely not a Ling hater, Senior and Junior. In fact Ling Senior can take a lot of credit for our promotion in my opinion. I have no issue with us having a DoF.

But personally I don’t really see him as Senior management material in the way we may view the likes of Porter, Macklin or the Board. He just cannot seem to handle matters in a way you would expect of a senior manager, certainly not a Director. A liability in front of a microphone. Indiscrete, meandering on irrelevant things like his past history, constant comments on how busy he is and aggressive/defensive when challenged.

Best left to do what he does well with his interviews kept to a minimum. It’s just not his thing.

Good job our 2 Owners seem to disagree with you.

[tuffers#1]

Is this thread still about Juddy or should the OP be.re-titled ?

[DuvB]

The club consistently and rightly in my opinion talk about process. The Lings discussing Fletcher and his shortcomings behind his back is not due process. It’s absolutely wrong.

Such behaviour has the potential to create ill feelings and uncertainty within the club. People need to feel free to express their views without the fear that son will run to daddy, or grass them up if asked.

Not nice, not professional. Senior should know better. I trust Travis has made that clear.

Why is it wrong for the director of football (who presumably the head coach reports to) to find out how the squad were feeling about the head coach? Particularly if he also had doubts.

There is absolutely no reason why the DoF should not know what is going on. Far from it. But in any business, not just football, it cannot be allowed to happen in a way that undermines people and creates distrust.

Junior, reporting to Fletch who in turn reports to Senior is a very sensitive situation. It must be handled carefully. If not it makes Fletcher’s position untenable. This is not a football issue but a management hierarchy issue. Basic management. It’s a tricky situation when family becomes involved.

I have been both an MD and a CEO managing teams of up to 70. Do you not think my seniors checked out how I was doing with people I was managing during the first few months after I had joined. Of course they did. And rightly so. And did I check out newcomers I appointed with people who reported to this newcomer? Of course I did. This is standard management practice. Nothing underhand in it at all.