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Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 am
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
HeyO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:44 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:33 am
If you want i can take you to a travellers site near morecombe or one
Near Carlisle that is full of 8th 9th generation English travellers .
The one in kent that a friend of mine owns who is a mix of cumbrian &
lancastrian is also 5 generations on this island ,
While there are many travellers who indeed are of Irish descent you'd
be hard pressed to say all or nearly all are of Irish descent.
Sounds really inviting.
The people i would take him to see are all buisness people who have done exceptionally well
in there lives , all decent human beings & are travellers/gypsy/Romani ,
if you want to see them as something other than human beings
All English to through 4 or 5 more generations .
And all above board and legal? Declare their income and pay their taxes?
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:44 am
by NuneatonO's
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
HeyO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:44 am
Sounds really inviting.
The people i would take him to see are all buisness people who have done exceptionally well
in there lives , all decent human beings & are travellers/gypsy/Romani ,
if you want to see them as something other than human beings
All English to through 4 or 5 more generations .
And all above board and legal? Declare their income and pay their taxes?
Do Politicans?
Do 'Celebs'?
Do 'captains of industry', such as Bankers?
Do the 'wealthy and elite' (why did Branson spring instantly to mind)?
I'm not condoning tax avoidance by anyone. However, that said, I think the above group of tax dodgers probably have a bit more to contribute to the pot than some bloke asphalting a drive or cutting back a tree, don't you?
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:14 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
HeyO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:44 am
Sounds really inviting.
The people i would take him to see are all buisness people who have done exceptionally well
in there lives , all decent human beings & are travellers/gypsy/Romani ,
if you want to see them as something other than human beings
All English to through 4 or 5 more generations .
And all above board and legal? Declare their income and pay their taxes?
Of Course , unlike a lot of Black taxi drivers, who alledgedly get creative accountants.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:15 pm
by Ornchurch
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:44 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
The people i would take him to see are all buisness people who have done exceptionally well
in there lives , all decent human beings & are travellers/gypsy/Romani ,
if you want to see them as something other than human beings
All English to through 4 or 5 more generations .
And all above board and legal? Declare their income and pay their taxes?
Do Politicans?
Do 'Celebs'?
Do 'captains of industry', such as Bankers?
Do the 'wealthy and elite' (why did Branson spring instantly to mind)?
I'm not condoning tax avoidance by anyone. However, that said, I think the above group of tax dodgers probably have a bit more to contribute to the pot than some bloke asphalting a drive or cutting back a tree, don't you?
Not relevant fella. I'm talking about travellers.
Not interested in your anti right political bollox.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:16 pm
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:14 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:53 am
The people i would take him to see are all buisness people who have done exceptionally well
in there lives , all decent human beings & are travellers/gypsy/Romani ,
if you want to see them as something other than human beings
All English to through 4 or 5 more generations .
And all above board and legal? Declare their income and pay their taxes?
Of Course , unlike a lot of Black taxi drivers, who alledgedly get creative accountants.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:18 pm
by tuffers#1
I see you've heard the stories about Black Cab drivers & there Accountants as well then
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:26 pm
by NuneatonO's
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:15 pm
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:44 am
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 am
And all above board and legal? Declare their income and pay their taxes?
Do Politicans?
Do 'Celebs'?
Do 'captains of industry', such as Bankers?
Do the 'wealthy and elite' (why did Branson spring instantly to mind)?
I'm not condoning tax avoidance by anyone. However, that said, I think the above group of tax dodgers probably have a bit more to contribute to the pot than some bloke asphalting a drive or cutting back a tree, don't you?
Not relevant fella. I'm talking about travellers.
Not interested in your anti right political bollox.
Oh right. So wanting ALL people to declare their income and pay their due taxes is (quote)
'anti right political bollox'.
Do you know just how really stupid (not to mention hypocritical) that statement makes you sound?
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:31 pm
by Clive Evans
My Dear Mr Tuffers, I think you need to read before you spout off. Most English Itinerants are of Romany origin. Romany ethnicity is quite separate from the main British gene pool. It is believed that they originate from somewhere East. Perhaps even India. In days gone by they were thought to have originated in Egypt. Hence the word Gypsy. Hence their dislike for this word as it is inaccurate. Most Romanies packed up their itinerant lifestyle by the 1950's as they were encouraged to stay in permanent dwellings. Romanies tend to be dark-skinned and swarthy.
Irish Itinerants have a pretty pure Irish Gene pool. There are a few differences, as they have bred somewhat separately from the rest of the Irish population. There are some arguments amongst people who study Racial Origins. Some believe they started to become itinerant after Cromwell's interference in Ireland. Some say it goes back a good deal further. Throw in to this mix, the Politics. The Irish Itinerants believe it is in their interests to develop the idea the are Racially separate, as they can weaponise Racialism to excuse bad behaviour. But you will travel a long way before you find a geneticist, who will tell you that Irish Travellers are something approaching a separate race.
Your findings about Travellers being English for very many generations doesn't mean too much either. A Travelling generation is much shorter than the norm. They marry and have kids at a very young age. Also go back a 100 years there were quite a few Itinerants not of Romany origin. They were Tinkers ( mended pots & pans etc ); then you have chair bottomers, tinsmiths, broom binders, traders, peddlers, beggars etc. These people have never been liked generally as they were seen as being thieves and tricksters and not paying local taxes. This goes right back to Mediaeval Times and probably longer.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:34 pm
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:18 pm
I see you've heard the stories about Black Cab drivers & there Accountants as well then
I have but as for pikeys paying taxes you'll be telling that the Popes a proddy next.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:37 pm
by tuffers#1
West Side Story wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:31 pm
My Dear Mr Tuffers, I think you need to read before you spout off. Most English Itinerants are of Romany origin. Romany ethnicity is quite separate from the main British gene pool. It is believed that they originate from somewhere East. Perhaps even India. In days gone by they were thought to have originated in Egypt. Hence the word Gypsy. Hence their dislike for this word as it is inaccurate. Most Romanies packed up their itinerant lifestyle by the 1950's as they were encouraged to stay in permanent dwellings. Romanies tend to be dark-skinned and swarthy.
Irish Itinerants have a pretty pure Irish Gene pool. There are a few differences, as they have bred somewhat separately from the rest of the Irish population. There are some arguments amongst people who study Racial Origins. Some believe they started to become itinerant after Cromwell's interference in Ireland. Some say it goes back a good deal further. Throw in to this mix, the Politics. The Irish Itinerants believe it is in their interests to develop the idea the are Racially separate, as they can weaponise Racialism to excuse bad behaviour. But you will travel a long way before you find a geneticist, who will tell you that Irish Travellers are something approaching a separate race.
Your findings about Travellers being English for very many generations doesn't mean too much either. A Travelling generation is much shorter than the norm. They marry and have kids at a very young age. Also go back a 100 years there were quite a few Itinerants not of Romany origin. They were Tinkers ( mended pots & pans etc ); then you have chair bottomers, tinsmiths, broom binders, traders, peddlers, beggars etc. These people have never been liked generally as they were seen as being thieves and tricksters and not paying local taxes. This goes right back to Mediaeval Times and probably longer.
There was no mention of you being in possesion of Mr Long or his 2 associates DNA
In your explanation i see .
Why you cant accept that 3 English blokes killed a police officer whilst doing his duties is beyond me .
You had to make it about people of Irish Descent .
I have nieces of Irish Descent & Neither would dream of being involved with any kind of shenanigans
That these 3 Youths got upto .
I know plenty of O's fans who are of Irish Descent who would take offence at your
silly comments.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:40 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:34 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:18 pm
I see you've heard the stories about Black Cab drivers & there Accountants as well then
I have but as for pikeys paying taxes you'll be telling that the Popes a proddy next.
Thor & Disoriented PW & a few others need to get involved now .
I was unfortunate to use that description for the traveller community &
Was rightly called out for a Racist/ Bigoted term describing wet spam fans .
I fully apologised for my use of the term & educated myself that it shouldnt be used .
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:49 pm
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:40 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:34 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:18 pm
I see you've heard the stories about Black Cab drivers & there Accountants as well then
I have but as for do as you likeys paying taxes you'll be telling that the Popes a proddy next.
Thor & Disoriented PW & a few others need to get involved now .
I was unfortunate to use that description for the traveller community &
Was rightly called out for a Racist/ Bigoted term describing wet spam fans .
I fully apologised for my use of the term & educated myself that it shouldnt be used .
Apologies. Post amended.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:22 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:40 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:34 pm
I have but as for do as you likeys paying taxes you'll be telling that the Popes a proddy next.
Thor & Disoriented PW & a few others need to get involved now .
I was unfortunate to use that description for the traveller community &
Was rightly called out for a Racist/ Bigoted term describing wet spam fans .
I fully apologised for my use of the term & educated myself that it shouldnt be used .
Apologies. Post amended.
If you want ill post there buisness adresses/websites up & you can contact a coupe of them yourself if you want
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:32 pm
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:22 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:49 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:40 pm
Thor & Disoriented PW & a few others need to get involved now .
I was unfortunate to use that description for the traveller community &
Was rightly called out for a Racist/ Bigoted term describing wet spam fans .
I fully apologised for my use of the term & educated myself that it shouldnt be used .
Apologies. Post amended.
If you want ill post there buisness adresses/websites up & you can contact a coupe of them yourself if you want
Now you are joking. Travellers with websites?
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:22 pm
by Long slender neck
Addresses?
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:15 pm
by Dohnut
I’ll give you mine and I’ll forward. Get a visit annually on a green nearby, nice spot, they stay about a month, usually accompanied by them offering to trim the trees or collect old iron from the neighbourhood. This is followed by Council staff arriving and cleaning up the absolute pigsty they kindly leave behind.
The trees planted to make their Access visits less easy got uprooted so they can get in, the other trees served to create washing lines.
The council now let the area run wild. Not as attractive to look at or live in. Thus far it’s worked.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:29 pm
by Ornchurch
Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:15 pm
I’ll give you mine and I’ll forward. Get a visit annually on a green nearby, nice spot, they stay about a month, usually accompanied by them offering to trim the trees or collect old iron from the neighbourhood. This is followed by Council staff arriving and cleaning up the absolute pigsty they kindly leave behind.
The trees planted to make their Access visits less easy got uprooted so they can get in, the other trees served to create washing lines.
The council now let the area run wild. Not as attractive to look at or live in. Thus far it’s worked.
Leave a complaint on their website
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:42 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:32 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:22 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:49 pm
Apologies. Post amended.
If you want ill post there buisness adresses/websites up & you can contact a coupe of them yourself if you want
Now you are joking. Travellers with websites?
Nope they have websites for there buisnesses
Its the modern world dontchaknow
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:44 pm
by tuffers#1
Website adresses for there buisnesses of course.
Some are fpr Holiday parks so you would need an adress to get there after you'd booked .
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:58 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:29 pm
Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:15 pm
I’ll give you mine and I’ll forward. Get a visit annually on a green nearby, nice spot, they stay about a month, usually accompanied by them offering to trim the trees or collect old iron from the neighbourhood. This is followed by Council staff arriving and cleaning up the absolute pigsty they kindly leave behind.
The trees planted to make their Access visits less easy got uprooted so they can get in, the other trees served to create washing lines.
The council now let the area run wild. Not as attractive to look at or live in. Thus far it’s worked.
Leave a complaint on their website
Please do
Ill get them to pass it on to the gypsy king & his dad
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:01 pm
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:42 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:32 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:22 pm
If you want ill post there buisness adresses/websites up & you can contact a coupe of them yourself if you want
Now you are joking. Travellers with websites?
Nope they have websites for there buisnesses
Its the modern world dontchaknow
With the latest broadband hooked up to their caravan?
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:16 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:01 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:42 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:32 pm
Now you are joking. Travellers with websites?
Nope they have websites for there buisnesses
Its the modern world dontchaknow
With the latest broadband hooked up to their caravan?
Free wifi .
What makes you think Caravans ?
Lodges dear bigot lodges .
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:51 pm
by Ornchurch
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:16 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:01 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:42 pm
Nope they have websites for there buisnesses
Its the modern world dontchaknow
With the latest broadband hooked up to their caravan?
Free wifi .
What makes you think Caravans ?
Lodges dear bigot lodges .
Lodges? Do you know what a traveller is? They move around and travel. Not seen any wheels on a lodge.
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:55 pm
by tuffers#1
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:51 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:16 pm
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:01 pm
With the latest broadband hooked up to their caravan?
Free wifi .
What makes you think Caravans ?
Lodges dear bigot lodges .
Lodges? Do you know what a traveller is? They move around and travel. Not seen any wheels on a lodge.
Is tyson fury a traveller ?
Just making yourself look like a complete idiot as well as a
Bigot now Orn !
Re: pc Harper injustice
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:02 pm
by tuffers#1
From gypsy to ceo millionaire
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.essexl ... 368759.amp
Dont know this fella, but the family i do know are in a similar buisness with 3 parks in essex & kent.
