Independent Leyton Orient Forum

BIGRON wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:47 am A friend of mine is in Spain now , he returns Saturday and says he will not isolate for 14 days , how will the powers that be keep a check on thousands of people returning

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:40 am It's really not that straightforward. The quarantine 'policy' is, quite frankly, a load of bollox and I really do not blame anyone for ignoring it. Think about it for a moment:

1. You are being asked to fill out a travel declaration form. However, you are entitled to arrive without having done so and (according to reports from travellers arriving in the UK) nobody actually checks. Seriously, look it up.

2. If you were to properly quarantine, you would need to be collected as you disembark from your flight and taken to a special detention centre or hotel. This is what happens in countries where they have a proper quarantine policy.

3. Instead, in the UK, you can mingle about in the airport before getting on the tube or any other form of public transport as you head off to your home. Once there, sure, you are meant to quarantine for 14 days. But who is going to actually enforce that? Many UK police forces have already publicly stated that they will not be enforcing government policies, such as this and the wearing of face masks on shops.

4. Quarantine is a policy that this government have introduced as a half-arsed measure, purely to make them look good while it does everything it can to deflect from the way they handled the crisis in care homes. That is the real scandal.

5. Quarantine - when managed effectively (see point 2 above) - at least makes some sense as a strategy. Sure, some will agree or disagree with it, but there's at least logic to it. There's zero logic to this. Which means we're being played.

6. Quite how we're being played is anyone's guess. It may just be about deflection of the care home disaster. It may be so that, when there's a future enquiry, the government can point to this decision and say, "oh, but look how decisive we were." Or it may be that, as we have our foot on Spain throat, we're using this as part of some behind the scenes negotiation for trade post-Brexit. But whatever it is, it is not about quarantine or your health.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:59 pm It’s not really about whether the government says yes or no or stay or go. It’s about personally responsibility. We are in the middle of a global pandemic and there is more chance of you picking up something and more importantly, passing it on, by travelling. Why the need to go abroad? I just don’t get it.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:59 pm It’s not really about whether the government says yes or no or stay or go. It’s about personally responsibility. We are in the middle of a global pandemic and there is more chance of you picking up something and more importantly, passing it on, by travelling. Why the need to go abroad? I just don’t get it.

BIGRON wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:47 am A friend of mine is in Spain now , he returns Saturday and says he will not isolate for 14 days , how will the powers that be keep a check on thousands of people returning

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:34 pm I should be in Reno, Nevada right now. Been booked and planned for months. But in the greater scheme of things disruption to my holidays with family is minor compared to what others are suffering.

Looked at a Caravan for a 3 nights. £800+. Gave that a miss. Nothing special but far too expensive.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:40 am It's really not that straightforward. The quarantine 'policy' is, quite frankly, a load of bollox and I really do not blame anyone for ignoring it. Think about it for a moment:

1. You are being asked to fill out a travel declaration form. However, you are entitled to arrive without having done so and (according to reports from travellers arriving in the UK) nobody actually checks. Seriously, look it up.

2. If you were to properly quarantine, you would need to be collected as you disembark from your flight and taken to a special detention centre or hotel. This is what happens in countries where they have a proper quarantine policy.

3. Instead, in the UK, you can mingle about in the airport before getting on the tube or any other form of public transport as you head off to your home. Once there, sure, you are meant to quarantine for 14 days. But who is going to actually enforce that? Many UK police forces have already publicly stated that they will not be enforcing government policies, such as this and the wearing of face masks on shops.

4. Quarantine is a policy that this government have introduced as a half-arsed measure, purely to make them look good while it does everything it can to deflect from the way they handled the crisis in care homes. That is the real scandal.

5. Quarantine - when managed effectively (see point 2 above) - at least makes some sense as a strategy. Sure, some will agree or disagree with it, but there's at least logic to it. There's zero logic to this. Which means we're being played.

6. Quite how we're being played is anyone's guess. It may just be about deflection of the care home disaster. It may be so that, when there's a future enquiry, the government can point to this decision and say, "oh, but look how decisive we were." Or it may be that, as we have our foot on Spain throat, we're using this as part of some behind the scenes negotiation for trade post-Brexit. But whatever it is, it is not about quarantine or your health.

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:36 pm

Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:34 pm I should be in Reno, Nevada right now. Been booked and planned for months. But in the greater scheme of things disruption to my holidays with family is minor compared to what others are suffering.

Looked at a Caravan for a 3 nights. £800+. Gave that a miss. Nothing special but far too expensive.

So gracious. Well done you.