Independent Leyton Orient Forum

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:36 pm

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:26 pm

Mikero wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:44 pm How about going into Mosques and schools and telling them in no uncertain terms "Fundementalist Islam is a power grab by a few regious politicians who have been marginalised by the rest of the religion and want to hang on to their power. They do not care how many of their own people die. If you believe them you will be taken for a ride like I was."

Mikero

Yeah, how about it?

Can i watch your attempt Orn'

I said Orn cos if they knew Church was in your name ......
They might think you wante to convert em to Christianism

Bring her home

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:29 am Bring her home

Build her a statue.

Should be tried in Syria. Why haven't they arrested her?

She is in a Kurdish prison camp.

Mikero

can't she stay there and have her court case held via the medium of "on line"? Why does she need to set foot back in a country she disowned and celebrated the death of many people? She made her bed, let her lie in it.

Nandy on Marr this morning saying she backs her coming back to the UK, the inevitable conclusion to this story

Good luck with that red wall

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:32 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:58 am She says she has lots to offer British society. Shouldn’t she be given the chance to make amends?

How?

Perhaps she could make masks or deliver meals to care homes or something.

Mind you, we may need to give her a car to do that.

A court has decided that she is a British citizen and as such, no government has the right to remove that without proper legal process, which is what the government did. That’s why courts and judges are independent of government. Simple as that.

So I’m all for allowing her back and then, if there’s enough evidence to charge her with an offence then let her be arrested and charged and then tried in court. If she’s found guilty then she serves her sentence and is then freed and hopefully rehabilitated, ie: she’s treated like every other prisoner should be. I can’t see what’s so controversial about that, tbh.

slacker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:32 pm

Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:03 pm
Many of us went off on tangents when we were younger, which we probably regret. ..

I certainly regret those baggy jeans with red piping down the seam I got from Petticoat Lane when I was 19. Were all the rage in soul boy/disco circles back then, but really if I'd ended up in the Hague War Crimes Court for such an affront to humanity I couldn't complain.

Bloody hell. I’d erased those from my memory, and rightly so.

Mikero wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:54 pm She is in a Kurdish prison camp.

Mikero

The alternative offered to her was to return to the UK and to holiday with Thor, in Cornwall.

She chose to stay in a Kurdish prison camp.

Stowaway wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:05 am A court has decided that she is a British citizen and as such, no government has the right to remove that without proper legal process, which is what the government did. That’s why courts and judges are independent of government. Simple as that.

So I’m all for allowing her back and then, if there’s enough evidence to charge her with an offence then let her be arrested and charged and then tried in court. If she’s found guilty then she serves her sentence and is then freed and hopefully rehabilitated, ie: she’s treated like every other prisoner should be. I can’t see what’s so controversial about that, tbh.

A Syrian court though yes?

The only UK that has ruled on it so far has found stripping her of UK citizenship was legal.

What do you think should happen to her Pammy? (Apologies if you've said it already but the previous pages just make my eyes bleed)

Could she even be tried in the UK for possible crimes carried out in another jurisdiction?

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:05 pm Could she even be tried in the UK for possible crimes carried out in another jurisdiction?

Don't think so. Isn't that what teh extradition process is for? I sort of assumed she'd face trial here for joining a terrorist organisation (not sure of the exact legal terminology).

If she's an enemy of the UK state, then surely it's best to have her here?

"can't she stay there and have her court case held via the medium of "on line"? Why does she need to set foot back in a country she disowned and celebrated the death of many people? She made her bed, let her lie in it."

Great idea, if someone goes to the legal system because of a political decision you just stop them meeting their legal team and stop them getting into court.

Mikero

Admin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:48 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:05 pm Could she even be tried in the UK for possible crimes carried out in another jurisdiction?

Don't think so. Isn't that what teh extradition process is for? I sort of assumed she'd face trial here for joining a terrorist organisation (not sure of the exact legal terminology).

If she's an enemy of the UK state, then surely it's best to have her here?

I'm thinking more about how she can be made accountable for any alleged atrocities/crimes/acts/whatever she's been complicit/party to against others in that region. I agree that a UK court is only ever likely to consider whether or not she committed an offence by joining ISIS in the first place (possibly the most minor of her offences). But, once back here, the UK government could never permit a citizen to be extradited to a failed state. Therefore, once back here, she's unlikely to ever have to face her Yazidi accusers/victims.

As I've said, as much as I hate what she represents, I accept that bringing her back is the morally right thing to do. It's just that I reckon in doing so we'll be denying others the justice they may deserve.

I hope the authorities are investigating exactly what she has been up to, although Syria looks such a mess I doubt they'll be able to prove much.

Her trip home will have to wait, as the government have been granted permission to appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court. Should be heard later this year.