Independent Leyton Orient Forum

No begging letters need to be involved, i did not realised the O's had begged Harry kane to sponsor us Max.
There are some people who are decent have happy memories and are financially fortunate to be able to assist others. Whether that be charities a football club or in this case, both.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:56 am If shirt sales spike that benefits the manufacturer not the club.... I think..... Might be wrong

Yes you might.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:05 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:56 am If shirt sales spike that benefits the manufacturer not the club.... I think..... Might be wrong

Yes you might.

Who does the revenue form shirt sales go to?

I was under the impression the manufacturer paid a lump sum to the club then took the lions share from the sales

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:18 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:05 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 8:56 am If shirt sales spike that benefits the manufacturer not the club.... I think..... Might be wrong

Yes you might.

Who does the revenue form shirt sales go to?

I was under the impression the manufacturer paid a lump sum to the club then took the lions share from the sales

Guarantee you Google will know.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:18 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 12:05 pm

Yes you might.

Who does the revenue form shirt sales go to?

I was under the impression the manufacturer paid a lump sum to the club then took the lions share from the sales

Guarantee you Google will know.

Can't find any figures relating to the NB deal

Don't know the Orient deal, but up here, Rovers and the manufacturer design the kit. Rovers buy the shirts from the manufacturer at cost price - subject to minimum number orders per size - at wholesale price. The manufacturer gets the profit between the wholesale price and the actual cost of production. Rovers sell the kit at selling price, gaining any profit on the deal.

Just like any other retail item. Why would a football shirt be any different?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:34 pm Don't know the Orient deal, but up here, Rovers and the manufacturer design the kit. Rovers buy the shirts from the manufacturer at cost price - subject to minimum number orders per size - at wholesale price. The manufacturer gets the profit between the wholesale price and the actual cost of production. Rovers sell the kit at selling price, gaining any profit on the deal.

Just like any other retail item. Why would a football shirt be any different?

Top Prem clubs get a large lump sum for the licensing from Nike etc then circa 15% from sales

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:28 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:34 pm Don't know the Orient deal, but up here, Rovers and the manufacturer design the kit. Rovers buy the shirts from the manufacturer at cost price - subject to minimum number orders per size - at wholesale price. The manufacturer gets the profit between the wholesale price and the actual cost of production. Rovers sell the kit at selling price, gaining any profit on the deal.

Just like any other retail item. Why would a football shirt be any different?

Top Prem clubs get a large lump sum for the licensing from Nike etc then circa 15% from sales

Rubbish

Mike Ashley was getting slammed by Newcastle & Sevco fans for him profiteering from the sale of club merchandise..
15% wouldnt have got him out of bed .

Well done Harry just wished they would make the braces the home kit. Anyway, ordered one anyway...

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:28 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 1:34 pm Don't know the Orient deal, but up here, Rovers and the manufacturer design the kit. Rovers buy the shirts from the manufacturer at cost price - subject to minimum number orders per size - at wholesale price. The manufacturer gets the profit between the wholesale price and the actual cost of production. Rovers sell the kit at selling price, gaining any profit on the deal.

Just like any other retail item. Why would a football shirt be any different?

Top Prem clubs get a large lump sum for the licensing from Nike etc then circa 15% from sales

Rubbish

Mike Ashley was getting slammed by Newcastle & Sevco fans for him profiteering from the sale of club merchandise..
15% wouldnt have got him out of bed .

You appear not to have read the bit that said "large lump sum"

P.S. Heh @ Newcastle and Rangers being Top premier league clubs

Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:36 pm Interesting to see how our 'brand' copes without all of the media spotlight and quirky videos that Dream Team gave us! And the fans who loved them so.

The new media guy Luke seems a bit of a whizz. Brilliant with the E Sports game plus old matches & videos put out in lockdown plus the quiz & the AGM online

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:11 am No begging letters need to be involved, i did not realised the O's had begged Harry kane to sponsor us Max.
There are some people who are decent have happy memories and are financially fortunate to be able to assist others. Whether that be charities a football club or in this case, both.

You say he’s helped the charities but thinking about it, he’s only really helped our multi millionaire investors.

I wonder if Mind would rather have had a donation of £100k or their name on the front of our 3rd choice kit (which were unlikely to wear), if given the choice?

RedO wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:58 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:11 am No begging letters need to be involved, i did not realised the O's had begged Harry kane to sponsor us Max.
There are some people who are decent have happy memories and are financially fortunate to be able to assist others. Whether that be charities a football club or in this case, both.

You say he’s helped the charities but thinking about it, he’s only really helped our multi millionaire investors.

I wonder if Mind would rather have had a donation of £100k or their name on the front of our 3rd choice kit (which were unlikely to wear), if given the choice?

Tbf he's said it helps the football club AND the charities. Appreciate it's in a smaller way as far as the charities go (i.e. publicity on the shirts, small donation from shirt sales and corporate hospitality for their staff) but it has still helped. You're right to say the main beneficiaries are the club though.

I'd be interested in finding out exactly how much from each shirt is going to the charity as the wording was vague (referring to the proceeds), i.e. Is it 10% of the £48 selling price, or is it 10% of the profit on each shirt.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:42 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:19 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:52 pm What is the history of the braces shirt?

We used to have that kit in the olden days for a bit.

Does the braces go down onto the shorts like the original kits did . ? I'll definitely buying a couple of the braces shirt .

That is the big question. Presuming it’s an all white kit. Let’s hope the braces are on the shorts.

Should be the home kit

RedO wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:58 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:11 am No begging letters need to be involved, i did not realised the O's had begged Harry kane to sponsor us Max.
There are some people who are decent have happy memories and are financially fortunate to be able to assist others. Whether that be charities a football club or in this case, both.

You say he’s helped the charities but thinking about it, he’s only really helped our multi millionaire investors.

I wonder if Mind would rather have had a donation of £100k or their name on the front of our 3rd choice kit (which were unlikely to wear), if given the choice?

Predictable response. A good thing gets done for the club, for the charity and you want to find a way to find fault with it.

As others say "go give your head a wobble"

Thor wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:25 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:58 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:11 am No begging letters need to be involved, i did not realised the O's had begged Harry kane to sponsor us Max.
There are some people who are decent have happy memories and are financially fortunate to be able to assist others. Whether that be charities a football club or in this case, both.

You say he’s helped the charities but thinking about it, he’s only really helped our multi millionaire investors.

I wonder if Mind would rather have had a donation of £100k or their name on the front of our 3rd choice kit (which were unlikely to wear), if given the choice?

Predictable response. A good thing gets done for the club, for the charity and you want to find a way to find fault with it.

As others say "go give your head a wobble"

Having done the groundwork he will more than get his 100k back when he rejoins us at the tale end of his career.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:34 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:25 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:58 pm

You say he’s helped the charities but thinking about it, he’s only really helped our multi millionaire investors.

I wonder if Mind would rather have had a donation of £100k or their name on the front of our 3rd choice kit (which were unlikely to wear), if given the choice?

Predictable response. A good thing gets done for the club, for the charity and you want to find a way to find fault with it.

As others say "go give your head a wobble"

Having done the groundwork he will more than get his 100k back when he rejoins us at the tale end of his career.

I'd proper dig that! It.could be a Kevin Keegan moment when we are in the championship and he fires us to the premier league and then retires!

We can but dream!

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:15 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 2:28 pm

Top Prem clubs get a large lump sum for the licensing from Nike etc then circa 15% from sales

Rubbish

Mike Ashley was getting slammed by Newcastle & Sevco fans for him profiteering from the sale of club merchandise..
15% wouldnt have got him out of bed .

You appear not to have read the bit that said "large lump sum"

P.S. Heh @ Newcastle and Rangers being Top premier league clubs

Nope i read the license & 15 % .
Hence why i used mediocre clubs to compound the
daftness of the comment.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:48 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:15 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Rubbish

Mike Ashley was getting slammed by Newcastle & Sevco fans for him profiteering from the sale of club merchandise..
15% wouldnt have got him out of bed .

You appear not to have read the bit that said "large lump sum"

P.S. Heh @ Newcastle and Rangers being Top premier league clubs

Nope i read the license & 15 % .
Hence why i used mediocre clubs to compound the
daftness of the comment.

But these aren't typical transactions because Ashley was on both sides of the deal.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:48 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:15 pm


You appear not to have read the bit that said "large lump sum"

P.S. Heh @ Newcastle and Rangers being Top premier league clubs

Nope i read the license & 15 % .
Hence why i used mediocre clubs to compound the
daftness of the comment.

But these aren't typical transactions because Ashley was on both sides of the deal.

Exactly Max doubling his wedge .

If it was 15% hed be nowhere near interested..
Its not just shirt sales , its all the other tat
that gets sold to . Training gear clothing etc

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:48 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:15 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:00 pm

Rubbish

Mike Ashley was getting slammed by Newcastle & Sevco fans for him profiteering from the sale of club merchandise..
15% wouldnt have got him out of bed .

You appear not to have read the bit that said "large lump sum"

P.S. Heh @ Newcastle and Rangers being Top premier league clubs

Nope i read the license & 15 % .
Hence why i used mediocre clubs to compound the
daftness of the comment.

I said top Prem clubs

Liverpool's cut is 20% Manchester United's is 15%

What % do Newcastle get from their deal with Puma?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:54 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:51 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:48 pm

Nope i read the license & 15 % .
Hence why i used mediocre clubs to compound the
daftness of the comment.

But these aren't typical transactions because Ashley was on both sides of the deal.

Exactly Max doubling his wedge .

If it was 15% hed be nowhere near interested..
Its not just shirt sales , its all the other tat
that gets sold to . Training gear clothing etc

By retaining more of the earnings in SD as a quoted company he was able to make their numbers look better to investors in their shares.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:57 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:48 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 3:15 pm


You appear not to have read the bit that said "large lump sum"

P.S. Heh @ Newcastle and Rangers being Top premier league clubs

Nope i read the license & 15 % .
Hence why i used mediocre clubs to compound the
daftness of the comment.

I said top Prem clubs

Liverpool's cut is 20% Manchester United's is 15%

What % do Newcastle get from their deal with Puma?

Proof

Contracts please not newspaper articles ,
but if they are all you have show them ?

I think you are unaware of how licensing works in the
retail/ sports trade

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 5:06 pm

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:57 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 4:48 pm

Nope i read the license & 15 % .
Hence why i used mediocre clubs to compound the
daftness of the comment.

I said top Prem clubs

Liverpool's cut is 20% Manchester United's is 15%

What % do Newcastle get from their deal with Puma?

Proof

Contracts please not newspaper articles ,
but if they are all you have show them ?

I think you are unaware of how licensing works in the
retail/ sports trade

"Clubs traditionally receive 7.5 per cent commission from the sale of a shirt and other merchandise, but the deal with Nike will land Liverpool 20 per cent"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... champions/

What do Newcastle get form their deal with Puma?

I'd imagine there's different deals depending on where shirts are sold.

Those sold at in sports shops up and down the country - depicting the Club's colours and badge - are bound to be treated differently to those supplied to the club to sell in their own shop

I'd imagine LOFC sells the majority of the shirts itself (either onsite or mail order), whereas EPL clubs are probably not directly involved in the majority of their shirt sale transactions in the UK and around the world.