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spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:57 pm We are up to 4 pages of argument about something/someone the OP claimed was unarguable

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:46 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:16 pm No evidence at all that suggests greaves would make it in today's game.

He was good at the time, but you have to admit he was playing against total poo poo.

We won the World Cup in 1966 greaves time as you know he was in the squad but not in the final

The word you use to describe players he played against each week generally formed the squad that were part of the that England team - you are wrong

If you were watching football in that time you will recall there were virtually no overseas players in any team so the defence that he scored against every week in the domestic season included some other international standard English players apart from players that were Scottish welsh and I Irish

Thus they were of the general standard comparable or better than most in the world soccer - get my logic you are wrong sorry

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:46 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:16 pm No evidence at all that suggests greaves would make it in today's game.

He was good at the time, but you have to admit he was playing against total poo poo.

We won the World Cup in 1966 greaves time as you know he was in the squad but not in the final

The word you use to describe players he played against each week generally formed the squad that were part of the that England team - you are wrong

If you were watching football in that time you will recall there were virtually no overseas players in any team so the defence that he scored against every week in the domestic season included some other international standard English players apart from players that were Scottish welsh and Irish

Thus they were of the general standard comparable or better than most in the world soccer - get my logic you are wrong sorry

UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:34 pm P W opions are great for all

In that time he was the best by far that all I know

If he was playing in today's game he would most likely still be the best given the better training / food / medicine / boots etc

It's like saying would a golfer in that time compete with tiger woods today

The clubs are better and woods is fitter etc

Or a scientist would be brighter to day because they have generally more knowledge in any field available to use in the case studies

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:05 pm My old man used to say he was the best finisher he ever saw play football.

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:38 am World Cup winning Geoff Hurst and Roger Hunt were considered better, too.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:02 am

RedO wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:38 am World Cup winning Geoff Hurst and Roger Hunt were considered better, too.

They weren't better, they just made a better fit into Sir Alfs team.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:35 am Was he an alcoholic while he was playing?

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:18 am Red O you obviously know nothing about Sir Alf Ramsey he was like no other football coach/manager we had seen or have seen from the sixties up until this day. He was a bit military, schoolteaching type who had dogmatic ways that would not be interfered with by the press, public, football experts or any other outside sources. He won the World Cup by selecting players who were not seen as always being the best player for certain positions. Today everything is media led as you PW and SF have perfectly illustrated.
You have no knowledge of football and the great players from those days so you ridicule them and people who see them play. I think it was you who said Greaves was a p*ss Head (if not i apologise) but if he was just a p*ss head imagine what his goal scoring record would have been if he wasant seeing two balls every game!
I dont see things with rose tinted glasses because i have said Messi & Ronaldo are probably the two best players ever. I judge that on watching football over six era's and not being a ageist like you and the others on here.

Thor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:13 pm

AckneyAwks wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:18 am Red O you obviously know nothing about Sir Alf Ramsey he was like no other football coach/manager we had seen or have seen from the sixties up until this day. He was a bit military, schoolteaching type who had dogmatic ways that would not be interfered with by the press, public, football experts or any other outside sources. He won the World Cup by selecting players who were not seen as always being the best player for certain positions. Today everything is media led as you PW and SF have perfectly illustrated.
You have no knowledge of football and the great players from those days so you ridicule them and people who see them play. I think it was you who said Greaves was a p*ss Head (if not i apologise) but if he was just a p*ss head imagine what his goal scoring record would have been if he wasant seeing two balls every game!
I dont see things with rose tinted glasses because i have said Messi & Ronaldo are probably the two best players ever. I judge that on watching football over six era's and not being a ageist like you and the others on here.

Maradona was better than those two, as was Cryuff. Agreed they are the best around now.

Remember Maradona won the world cup virtually on his own in a team that was nowhere near good enough, that's the beauty and the sign of true greatness.