JIMMY GREAVES

[spen666]

We are up to 4 pages of argument about something/someone the OP claimed was unarguable

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

We are up to 4 pages of argument about something/someone the OP claimed was unarguable

Puts you to shame.

[Disoriented]

No evidence at all that suggests greaves would make it in today's game.

He was good at the time, but you have to admit he was playing against total poo poo.

We won the World Cup in 1966 greaves time as you know he was in the squad but not in the final

The word you use to describe players he played against each week generally formed the squad that were part of the that England team - you are wrong

If you were watching football in that time you will recall there were virtually no overseas players in any team so the defence that he scored against every week in the domestic season included some other international standard English players apart from players that were Scottish welsh and I Irish

Thus they were of the general standard comparable or better than most in the world soccer - get my logic you are wrong sorry

It was his usual WUM comment. Best to ignore it along with all his other utterances.

[Thor]

My old man used to say he was the best finisher he ever saw play football.

[Long slender neck]

No evidence at all that suggests greaves would make it in today's game.

He was good at the time, but you have to admit he was playing against total poo poo.

We won the World Cup in 1966 greaves time as you know he was in the squad but not in the final

The word you use to describe players he played against each week generally formed the squad that were part of the that England team - you are wrong

If you were watching football in that time you will recall there were virtually no overseas players in any team so the defence that he scored against every week in the domestic season included some other international standard English players apart from players that were Scottish welsh and Irish

Thus they were of the general standard comparable or better than most in the world soccer - get my logic you are wrong sorry

How many international English defenders were there? Not enough to fill a league. And that still doesn't mean they were any good by today's standards. Already been shown that there were a lot more goals scored back then, the most likely reason for that is because of poor defending.

[Long slender neck]

The answer is it's impossible to know for sure.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

P W opions are great for all

In that time he was the best by far that all I know

If he was playing in today's game he would most likely still be the best given the better training / food / medicine / boots etc

It's like saying would a golfer in that time compete with tiger woods today

The clubs are better and woods is fitter etc

Or a scientist would be brighter to day because they have generally more knowledge in any field available to use in the case studies

He wasn’t the best by far tho, was he?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

World Cup winning Geoff Hurst and Roger Hunt were considered better, too.

[Thor]

Now that's funny, hurst only got in the team cos jimmy was injured. Hurst was nowhere near greaves level, good yes, world class, doubt it.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Why didn’t Greaves go straight back into the team then?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Just find it strange.

All the other greats mentioned above would have walked back into their international team as soon as they were fit again.

[O my gawd]

Surprised he doesn't have even an MBE already.
Should have one for his football career & should have been awarded something for rebuilding his life from alcoholism & becoming a top football presenter.
Yet civil servants are are handed Knighthoods like confetti

[BengeO]

Last time I saw Jimmy play was for Chelmsford against Walthamstow Avenue at Green Pond Road ( only oldies will remember!)
As I recall, he scored the winning goal in first half, then went off at half-time.
A great goalscorer - and I wish I had seen him play more.

[Beradogs]

The only difference between great footballers of the past compared to the ones now is fitness and nutrition etc. For footballers read any sport. Jimmy greaves gets fit he could play for Liverpool tmrw. Jimmy Greaves as fit as he was when he played he wouldn’t get into a national league side. Certain sports like football and especially boxing have seen a drop off in participation over the years so a great of the past in say boxing is likely to crush a great of today. Again, with equal access to modern fitness methods.

[Lovejoy]

My old man used to say he was the best finisher he ever saw play football.

At that time, he was.

[Chief crazy horse]

World Cup winning Geoff Hurst and Roger Hunt were considered better, too.

They weren't better, they just made a better fit into Sir Alfs team.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

World Cup winning Geoff Hurst and Roger Hunt were considered better, too.

They weren't better, they just made a better fit into Sir Alfs team.

[AckneyAwks]

Red O you obviously know nothing about Sir Alf Ramsey he was like no other football coach/manager we had seen or have seen from the sixties up until this day. He was a bit military, schoolteaching type who had dogmatic ways that would not be interfered with by the press, public, football experts or any other outside sources. He won the World Cup by selecting players who were not seen as always being the best player for certain positions. Today everything is media led as you PW and SF have perfectly illustrated.
You have no knowledge of football and the great players from those days so you ridicule them and people who see them play. I think it was you who said Greaves was a Piss Head (if not i apologise) but if he was just a piss head imagine what his goal scoring record would have been if he wasant seeing two balls every game!
I dont see things with rose tinted glasses because i have said Messi & Ronaldo are probably the two best players ever. I judge that on watching football over six era's and not being a ageist like you and the others on here.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Was he an alcoholic while he was playing?

[Chief crazy horse]

Ackney, you're wasting your time on him. You only have to look at his reply to my post above. Instead of conceding or accepting that someone has made a valid point, he can only resort to the last line of defence - a smilie.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Do you become more of a snowflake the older you get?

If I was to come on here posting how a decent international striker from my era, say Ian Wright, wascone Of the all time greats and up there with Messi and Ronaldo and asking how much he’d be worth in today’s game, I’d also expect to be laughed at.

[AckneyAwks]

i wouldant laugh at you, i would disagree but i would not slag of Ian Wright who was a good striker and then i would not attack you or others with similar opinions. Why would i?.. only if i had personal problems myself maybe.

[Lovejoy]

Was he an alcoholic while he was playing?

Apparently he was first in the pub after every training session and last out, other players who also went for a quick drink after training could not keep up with him. That is how his alcoholism started and Spurs offloaded him to West Ham.

[Thor]

Red O you obviously know nothing about Sir Alf Ramsey he was like no other football coach/manager we had seen or have seen from the sixties up until this day. He was a bit military, schoolteaching type who had dogmatic ways that would not be interfered with by the press, public, football experts or any other outside sources. He won the World Cup by selecting players who were not seen as always being the best player for certain positions. Today everything is media led as you PW and SF have perfectly illustrated.
You have no knowledge of football and the great players from those days so you ridicule them and people who see them play. I think it was you who said Greaves was a p*ss Head (if not i apologise) but if he was just a p*ss head imagine what his goal scoring record would have been if he wasant seeing two balls every game!
I dont see things with rose tinted glasses because i have said Messi & Ronaldo are probably the two best players ever. I judge that on watching football over six era's and not being a ageist like you and the others on here.

Maradona was better than those two, as was Cryuff. Agreed they are the best around now.

Remember Maradona won the world cup virtually on his own in a team that was nowhere near good enough, that's the beauty and the sign of true greatness.

[Lovejoy]

Red O you obviously know nothing about Sir Alf Ramsey he was like no other football coach/manager we had seen or have seen from the sixties up until this day. He was a bit military, schoolteaching type who had dogmatic ways that would not be interfered with by the press, public, football experts or any other outside sources. He won the World Cup by selecting players who were not seen as always being the best player for certain positions. Today everything is media led as you PW and SF have perfectly illustrated.
You have no knowledge of football and the great players from those days so you ridicule them and people who see them play. I think it was you who said Greaves was a p*ss Head (if not i apologise) but if he was just a p*ss head imagine what his goal scoring record would have been if he wasant seeing two balls every game!
I dont see things with rose tinted glasses because i have said Messi & Ronaldo are probably the two best players ever. I judge that on watching football over six era's and not being a ageist like you and the others on here.

Maradona was better than those two, as was Cryuff. Agreed they are the best around now.

Remember Maradona won the world cup virtually on his own in a team that was nowhere near good enough, that's the beauty and the sign of true greatness.

Was Cryuff better than Messi or Ronaldo, that is a debatable point?