Independent Leyton Orient Forum

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:41 pm

Milano wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:30 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:50 pm Oh man, what a pairing they would have made.

We'd probably be able to play just 2 central midfielders, like what we did in the olden days, when we had central midfielders that were ok.

What a pairing indeed. Unlikely but we can dream.

Indeed.

I'd get Ebou to hold and try and play Ouss just in behind the front two.

Wouldn't it be great if this club were fan owned then we could just go and get whoever we please ,whenever we want. Perhaps RedO could put his bank account with Orient and we can use that.

soloman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:05 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:41 pm

Milano wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:30 pm

What a pairing indeed. Unlikely but we can dream.

Indeed.

I'd get Ebou to hold and try and play Ouss just in behind the front two.

Wouldn't it be great if this club were fan owned then we could just go and get whoever we please ,whenever we want. Perhaps RedO could put his bank account with Orient and we can use that.

Wouldn't need to contribute (any more than I already do).

The funds were there to bring in Adams, we just chose to spunk them on Dale Gorman instead.

The funds are there to make Cisse stay (given we're currently spunking them on Wright and Clay).

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:08 am

soloman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:05 am

RedO wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:41 pm

Indeed.

I'd get Ebou to hold and try and play Ouss just in behind the front two.

Wouldn't it be great if this club were fan owned then we could just go and get whoever we please ,whenever we want. Perhaps RedO could put his bank account with Orient and we can use that.

Wouldn't need to contribute (any more than I already do).

The funds were there to bring in Adams, we just chose to spunk them on Dale Gorman instead.

The funds are there to make Cisse stay (given we're currently spunking them on Wright and Clay).

Maybe the funds were there to buy Adams. Have you ever considered that Adams for some reason did not want to play for Orient
Before the season ended Orient pursued the idea of signing him but the player refused to discuss the issue until the end of the season when he quickly made his decision to go elsewhere . No good pursuing the idea he would sign for us now

The saga with Adams will remain one of our biggest mistakes in the T&T era.

Sad to think about it, but I have moved on from the disappointment.

Whilst that is correct dis, one man defined that cock up with his stubbornness, step forward Mr dof.

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:53 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:08 am

soloman wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:05 am
Wouldn't it be great if this club were fan owned then we could just go and get whoever we please ,whenever we want. Perhaps RedO could put his bank account with Orient and we can use that.

Wouldn't need to contribute (any more than I already do).

The funds were there to bring in Adams, we just chose to spunk them on Dale Gorman instead.

The funds are there to make Cisse stay (given we're currently spunking them on Wright and Clay).

Maybe the funds were there to buy Adams. Have you ever considered that Adams for some reason did not want to play for Orient
Before the season ended Orient pursued the idea of signing him but the player refused to discuss the issue until the end of the season when he quickly made his decision to go elsewhere . No good pursuing the idea he would sign for us now

Adams has come out and admitted he didn't want to sign for us because of 'stuff behind the scenes' and because he felt pressured into making a decision.

Redo do you think what has transpired since Justin sadly passed away brings home Adam's comments of "stuff behind the scenes" and vindicates what he said and was vilified for saying?

A/C closed.

I know they would be unstoppable as a pair.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:32 am

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:53 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:08 am

Wouldn't need to contribute (any more than I already do).

The funds were there to bring in Adams, we just chose to spunk them on Dale Gorman instead.

The funds are there to make Cisse stay (given we're currently spunking them on Wright and Clay).

Maybe the funds were there to buy Adams. Have you ever considered that Adams for some reason did not want to play for Orient
Before the season ended Orient pursued the idea of signing him but the player refused to discuss the issue until the end of the season when he quickly made his decision to go elsewhere . No good pursuing the idea he would sign for us now

Adams has come out and admitted he didn't want to sign for us because of 'stuff behind the scenes' and because he felt pressured into making a decision.

Whatever that 'stuff behind the scenes' was, if is was indeed a real issue, it didn't stop us getting promotion and as for feeling pressured to sign, a club has to give a deadline to be able to know its a dead end and then to move on to the next option. No employer can wait forever.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 am The saga with Adams will remain one of our biggest mistakes in the T&T era.

Sad to think about it, but I have moved on from the disappointment.

IMO , Cisse is better than Adams so it’s now easy to move on anyway

DuvB wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:53 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:32 am

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:53 pm

Maybe the funds were there to buy Adams. Have you ever considered that Adams for some reason did not want to play for Orient
Before the season ended Orient pursued the idea of signing him but the player refused to discuss the issue until the end of the season when he quickly made his decision to go elsewhere . No good pursuing the idea he would sign for us now

Adams has come out and admitted he didn't want to sign for us because of 'stuff behind the scenes' and because he felt pressured into making a decision.

Whatever that 'stuff behind the scenes' was, if is was indeed a real issue, it didn't stop us getting promotion and as for feeling pressured to sign, a club has to give a deadline to be able to know its a dead end and then to move on to the next option. No employer can wait forever.

Not done too well this season though, have we?

Of course it’s reasonable to set a reasonable deadline. But 15th May wasn’t that.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:31 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:29 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:11 pm

What ,
We didnt win the National League & get crowned as Champions ?

No the bit about the glaring weakness of our midfield for 18 months. If it was so good why were we playing the 5 at the back?

So you youre saying you are more knowledgeable about footy than the late great JE ?

Wise up & catch yerself on Max, as we would
say in Belfast !!

Max'y knows a thing or two

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 am The saga with Adams will remain one of our biggest mistakes in the T&T era.

Sad to think about it, but I have moved on from the disappointment.

IMO , Cisse is better than Adams so it’s now easy to move on anyway

He probably is. But they are different players. As a pairing, they would totally dominate every single team in this division, no question.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:34 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 am The saga with Adams will remain one of our biggest mistakes in the T&T era.

Sad to think about it, but I have moved on from the disappointment.

IMO , Cisse is better than Adams so it’s now easy to move on anyway

He probably is. But they are different players. As a pairing, they would totally dominate every single team in this division, no question.

Yes agree, Cisse and Adams would make for a very good midfield pairing. My reading of the Adams saga is that the director of football tried to push Adams into signing with us, decision deadline etc before the young man was ready to commit to any club. He was hoping that a League club would come in for him after the good form shown playing for the Os, he was a free agent, single man with no family to support so why would he be in a rush to take the first offer given to him ? I have been in the same situation myself, turned down jobs in the hope of better offers coming in, we have all done it. Orient should have given him a good offer then left it at that and let him mull over it while he checked over other offers he got. The club was too impatient to sign him, gave him a deadline ( silly thing to do ) and he did not wish to be rushed into a decision and that is about it. As the old saying goes...You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' Meaning that you can give someone an opportunity but not force them to take it.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:53 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:34 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm

IMO , Cisse is better than Adams so it’s now easy to move on anyway

He probably is. But they are different players. As a pairing, they would totally dominate every single team in this division, no question.

Yews would be a very good midfield pairing. My reading of the Adams saga is that the director of football tried to push Adams into signing with us, decision deadline etc before the young man was ready to commit to any club. He was hoping that a League club would come in for him after the good form shown playing for the Os, he was a free agent, single man with no family to support so why would he be in a rush to take the first offer given to him ? I have been in the same situation myself, turned down jobs in the hope of better offers coming in, we have all done it. Orient should have given him a good offer then left it at that and let him mull over it while he checked over other offers he got. The club was too impatient to sign him, gave him a deadline ( silly thing to do ) and he did not wish to be rushed into a decision and that is about it. As the old saying goes...You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' Meaning that you can give someone an opportunity but not force them to take it.

Exactly that. We tried to play hardball, because we had Dale fuking Gorman waiting in the wings.

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:22 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:53 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:34 am

He probably is. But they are different players. As a pairing, they would totally dominate every single team in this division, no question.

Yews would be a very good midfield pairing. My reading of the Adams saga is that the director of football tried to push Adams into signing with us, decision deadline etc before the young man was ready to commit to any club. He was hoping that a League club would come in for him after the good form shown playing for the Os, he was a free agent, single man with no family to support so why would he be in a rush to take the first offer given to him ? I have been in the same situation myself, turned down jobs in the hope of better offers coming in, we have all done it. Orient should have given him a good offer then left it at that and let him mull over it while he checked over other offers he got. The club was too impatient to sign him, gave him a deadline ( silly thing to do ) and he did not wish to be rushed into a decision and that is about it. As the old saying goes...You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' Meaning that you can give someone an opportunity but not force them to take it.

Exactly that. We tried to play hardball, because we had Dale fuking Gorman waiting in the wings.

Which makes no sense at all. Gorman was crocked and on his way out of Stevenage. He was the one that should have been made to wait.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:53 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:34 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:06 pm

IMO , Cisse is better than Adams so it’s now easy to move on anyway

He probably is. But they are different players. As a pairing, they would totally dominate every single team in this division, no question.

Yews would be a very good midfield pairing. My reading of the Adams saga is that the director of football tried to push Adams into signing with us, decision deadline etc before the young man was ready to commit to any club. He was hoping that a League club would come in for him after the good form shown playing for the Os, he was a free agent, single man with no family to support so why would he be in a rush to take the first offer given to him ? I have been in the same situation myself, turned down jobs in the hope of better offers coming in, we have all done it. Orient should have given him a good offer then left it at that and let him mull over it while he checked over other offers he got. The club was too impatient to sign him, gave him a deadline ( silly thing to do ) and he did not wish to be rushed into a decision and that is about it. As the old saying goes...You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' Meaning that you can give someone an opportunity but not force them to take it.

Surely Adams was just waiting for Daryl Macmahon & There shared agent to cross the ts & dot the i's so he could earn double bubble feom CASH RICH Eastleigh.

When the cash ran out they both moved on very quickly

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:13 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:53 pm

RedO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:34 am

He probably is. But they are different players. As a pairing, they would totally dominate every single team in this division, no question.

Yews would be a very good midfield pairing. My reading of the Adams saga is that the director of football tried to push Adams into signing with us, decision deadline etc before the young man was ready to commit to any club. He was hoping that a League club would come in for him after the good form shown playing for the Os, he was a free agent, single man with no family to support so why would he be in a rush to take the first offer given to him ? I have been in the same situation myself, turned down jobs in the hope of better offers coming in, we have all done it. Orient should have given him a good offer then left it at that and let him mull over it while he checked over other offers he got. The club was too impatient to sign him, gave him a deadline ( silly thing to do ) and he did not wish to be rushed into a decision and that is about it. As the old saying goes...You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' Meaning that you can give someone an opportunity but not force them to take it.

Surely Adams was just waiting for Daryl Macmahon & There shared agent to cross the ts & dot the i's so he could earn double bubble feom CASH RICH Eastleigh.

When the cash ran out they both moved on very quickly

Completely incorrect, he did NOT sign for Eastleigh, he signed for the team that Daryl McMahon was manager of which was........Ebbsfleet United ! Yes Adams and McMahon did share agents and also Ebbsfleet United's ground was very near to where Adams lived. Adams said at the time that he wanted if possible to sign for a team in the football league and was weighing up his best options, anyone in his position would have done EXACTLY the same. For some reason we tried to push him into an early decision before he had time to fully consider his best options. Also the team he signed for had finished in the play off positions whereas Orient had struggled badly for the first half of the season, eventually finishing midway in the league.
The financial problems of Ebbsfleet were a surprise the following season as before that time, the group of Kuwaiti investors who had taken over the club in 2013 looked like a solid base to take the club forward. Hindsight is a wonderful thing !!

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:31 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:13 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:53 pm
Yews would be a very good midfield pairing. My reading of the Adams saga is that the director of football tried to push Adams into signing with us, decision deadline etc before the young man was ready to commit to any club. He was hoping that a League club would come in for him after the good form shown playing for the Os, he was a free agent, single man with no family to support so why would he be in a rush to take the first offer given to him ? I have been in the same situation myself, turned down jobs in the hope of better offers coming in, we have all done it. Orient should have given him a good offer then left it at that and let him mull over it while he checked over other offers he got. The club was too impatient to sign him, gave him a deadline ( silly thing to do ) and he did not wish to be rushed into a decision and that is about it. As the old saying goes...You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink' Meaning that you can give someone an opportunity but not force them to take it.

Surely Adams was just waiting for Daryl Macmahon & There shared agent to cross the ts & dot the i's so he could earn double bubble feom CASH RICH Eastleigh.

When the cash ran out they both moved on very quickly

Completely incorrect, he did NOT sign for Eastleigh, he signed for the team that Daryl McMahon was manager of which was........Ebbsfleet United ! Yes Adams and McMahon did share agents and also Ebbsfleet United's ground was very near to where Adams lived. Adams said at the time that he wanted if possible to sign for a team in the football league and was weighing up his best options, anyone in his position would have done EXACTLY the same. For some reason we tried to push him into an early decision before he had time to fully consider his best options. Also the team he signed for had finished in the play off positions whereas Orient had struggled badly for the first half of the season, eventually finishing midway in the league.
The financial problems of Ebbsfleet were a surprise the following season as before that time, the group of Kuwaiti investors who had taken over the club in 2013 looked like a solid base to take the club forward. Hindsight is a wonderful thing !!

I stand corrected with Ebbsfleet .
However the Agent has publicly stated it was he & Macmahon who sealed the move to them & had nothing to do with league teams.

It was all over the vanarama page on FB , the interview in there local press at the time

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:43 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:31 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:13 pm

Surely Adams was just waiting for Daryl Macmahon & There shared agent to cross the ts & dot the i's so he could earn double bubble feom CASH RICH Eastleigh.

When the cash ran out they both moved on very quickly

Completely incorrect, he did NOT sign for Eastleigh, he signed for the team that Daryl McMahon was manager of which was........Ebbsfleet United ! Yes Adams and McMahon did share agents and also Ebbsfleet United's ground was very near to where Adams lived. Adams said at the time that he wanted if possible to sign for a team in the football league and was weighing up his best options, anyone in his position would have done EXACTLY the same. For some reason we tried to push him into an early decision before he had time to fully consider his best options. Also the team he signed for had finished in the play off positions whereas Orient had struggled badly for the first half of the season, eventually finishing midway in the league.
The financial problems of Ebbsfleet were a surprise the following season as before that time, the group of Kuwaiti investors who had taken over the club in 2013 looked like a solid base to take the club forward. Hindsight is a wonderful thing !!

I stand corrected with Ebbsfleet .
However the Agent has publicly stated it was he & Macmahon who sealed the move to them & had nothing to do with league teams.

It was all over the vanarama page on FB , the interview in there local press at the time

Before Ebbsfleet were even mentioned, Adams was quoted as saying that he was hoping for the chance to play for a league team for coming season and why shouldn't he. We should have just given him our offer and left it at that.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:53 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:43 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:31 pm

Completely incorrect, he did NOT sign for Eastleigh, he signed for the team that Daryl McMahon was manager of which was........Ebbsfleet United ! Yes Adams and McMahon did share agents and also Ebbsfleet United's ground was very near to where Adams lived. Adams said at the time that he wanted if possible to sign for a team in the football league and was weighing up his best options, anyone in his position would have done EXACTLY the same. For some reason we tried to push him into an early decision before he had time to fully consider his best options. Also the team he signed for had finished in the play off positions whereas Orient had struggled badly for the first half of the season, eventually finishing midway in the league.
The financial problems of Ebbsfleet were a surprise the following season as before that time, the group of Kuwaiti investors who had taken over the club in 2013 looked like a solid base to take the club forward. Hindsight is a wonderful thing !!

I stand corrected with Ebbsfleet .
However the Agent has publicly stated it was he & Macmahon who sealed the move to them & had nothing to do with league teams.

It was all over the vanarama page on FB , the interview in there local press at the time

Before Ebbsfleet were even mentioned, Adams was quoted as saying that he was hoping for the chance to play for a league team for coming season and why shouldn't he. We should have just given him our offer and left it at that.

We did , but as time was ticking closer to the start of a season , it makes sense to have all your swuad in okace .

If you have a player not committing , are you supposed to just wait ?

Bo you say fella youve had the iffer for 3 weeks now .

If you dont want the deal say so.

An "Ultimatum" as people have called it , is to me a group with a plan . You are either on biard or you are not.

Adams obviously wasnt .

Of course he is entitled to see what might be available ,
But so is OUR Footy team

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:10 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:53 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:43 pm

I stand corrected with Ebbsfleet .
However the Agent has publicly stated it was he & Macmahon who sealed the move to them & had nothing to do with league teams.

It was all over the vanarama page on FB , the interview in there local press at the time

Before Ebbsfleet were even mentioned, Adams was quoted as saying that he was hoping for the chance to play for a league team for coming season and why shouldn't he. We should have just given him our offer and left it at that.

We did , but as time was ticking closer to the start of a season , it makes sense to have all your swuad in okace .

If you have a player not committing , are you supposed to just wait ?

Bo you say fella youve had the iffer for 3 weeks now .

If you dont want the deal say so.

An "Ultimatum" as people have called it , is to me a group with a plan . You are either on biard or you are not.

Adams obviously wasnt .

Of course he is entitled to see what might be available ,
But so is OUR Footy team

Whatever, the replacement we got in, Gorman was a strange one, signing a player still a long way from recovering from a broken ankle injury. Adams signed for Ebbsfleet on 1 June 2018 which was nowhere near the start of the new season and well before the pre season training and friendly matches had started.

1st of june is officially the start of new contracts
All football contracts start /finish
Jun1 -May 31


Seems like Ebou was in a hurry to get out

29th May 2018
Leyton Orient: Martin Ling disappointed to miss out on Ebou Adams https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport ... bou-adams/
In case the link does not work, read the copy and pasted article below.

29th May 2018
Leyton Orient: Martin Ling disappointed to miss out on Ebou Adams
By Bradley Hayden
Martin Ling is disappointed to have missed out on Ebou Adams. Picture: Simon O'Connor.
Martin Ling has spoken of his disappointment about the news that Ebou Adams will not be returning to Leyton Orient permanently this summer.
The O’s confirmed on Friday that the midfielder, who spent the second half of the season on loan at Brisbane Road from Norwich City, would not sign permanently, with a number of clubs believed to be interested in his services.
Adams was released by Norwich earlier this month and has been in talks with Orient over a permanent transfer for some time, as we have previously reported. However, no deal could be agreed for the 22-year-old, who made 20 appearances during the second half of the season with Orient, scoring once against Gateshead in the FA Trophy thanks to a superb 25-yard strike which flew into the top corner.
That effort was named as Orient’s Goal-of-the-Season at the club’s end-of-season awards night recently and Adams became something of a fan favourite during his time at Brisbane Road for his energetic performances in midfield. The news of Adams’ departure will be a blow to head coach Justin Edinburgh, who has repeatedly stated his desire to keep the midfielder at the club, and Ling spoke of his disappointment of the news when speaking to the Guardian Series at the Errol McKellar charity match on Sunday. He said: “I’m not going to stand here and tell lies and say it wasn’t disappointing because it was. Ebou did really well for us and the easy answer for us was for him to stay. “My belief is that he’s got league clubs who have made him the same sort of offer or better and he wants to play within the league. So, we have to accept that. “Of course, we’ve got other options. He did do really well for us but I have got other people that I know will do just as good a job. I thank Ebou for his time but I don’t really worry about it too much because I have to move onto the next person on my shopping list.”
Orient will now focus their attentions on other targets, with the club keen to bring in at least one midfielder and possibly two more strikers in the summer transfer window, with Matt Harrold ruled out until September through injury.
However, O’s fans may have to wait a while yet before they see any potential incomings, with Ling insisting that the club will bide their time and adopt a pragmatic approach to transfers this summer.
When asked about whether there were any imminent new signings, Ling said: “Not at this moment in time. We’re probably down to about eight centre forwards and eight centre midfielders.
“We’re working our way through that personnel. We have touched base with a few players in both of them options. We know what type we want and as I say, we have got a shopping list but it’s not a big shopping list, so we can be a little more pragmatic this year. We can make sure we get it right.
“I’m not saying we didn’t get it right in the summer, but we were doing it so quickly that we were bound to make mistakes. This year we’ve got time on our side and we will come up with the right answers.”