Vegan / Pesceterian diet.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Tofu, Tempeh and Edamame Seitan Lentils Chickpeas and Most Varieties of Beans Nutritional Yeast Spelt and Teff Hempseed Spirulina to name but a few

None of those have anywhere near as much protein as meat though, and plant-based protein is inferior to animal-based protein.

The absolute state of most peoples diets, and people have the nerve to query where a vegan is getting all their requirements from.

It's actually a legitimate point. Vegan diets particularly struggle with Vitamin B12, Iodine, Vitamin D and Calcium. The quality and quantity of protein that can be derived from plants alone is also inferior to that which can be obtained through animal products.

The above deficiencies can be somewhat catered for through a combination of supplementation and correct meal planning. The practice of doing so however is not widespread

That's also not to say that a Vegan diet is not desirable compared to your standard Western diet that is a matter of debate. However given the thread is about the relative merits (or not) of Vegan/Vegetarian/Pescatarian diet, it's perfectly legitimate to bring up concerns around protein.

[Millennial Snowflake]

Exactly that^

It seems to be a common misconception that a vegan diet = a healthy diet. It's not impossible to meet your nutritional requirements when vegan, but it requires a great deal of work and most vegans I know don't even come close to managing it. A lot of vegan brands totally mislead consumers on this issue too - my housemate is vegan and I saw some writing on her oat milk packaging that said meat is totally unnecessary in your diet nowadays and peas and broccoli are just as good a source of protein. Even ignoring the ridiculous fact that I'd have to eat roughly 2 kilos of broccoli just to get the same quantity of protein that's in a chicken breast, for example, I'd have to supplement that with other EAAs due to the incomplete nature and poorer amino acid profile of the protein in broccoli.

Most people who have a bad diet and are overweight aren't overweight because they eat meat, they're overweight because they eat too much and don't move enough.

[tuffers#1]

Exactly that^

It seems to be a common misconception that a vegan diet = a healthy diet. It's not impossible to meet your nutritional requirements when vegan, but it requires a great deal of work and most vegans I know don't even come close to managing it. A lot of vegan brands totally mislead consumers on this issue too - my housemate is vegan and I saw some writing on her oat milk packaging that said meat is totally unnecessary in your diet nowadays and peas and broccoli are just as good a source of protein. Even ignoring the ridiculous fact that I'd have to eat roughly 2 kilos of broccoli just to get the same quantity of protein that's in a chicken breast, for example, I'd have to supplement that with other EAAs due to the incomplete nature and poorer amino acid profile of the protein in broccoli.

Most people who have a bad diet and are overweight aren't overweight because they eat meat, they're overweight because they eat too much and don't move enough.

Id say they drink far to much
Alcohol turns to sugar
Fizzy drinks full of sugar

[Stowaway]

Be interested to know how the vegans/occasional meat eaters on here manage to get enough protein and what alternative sources they use

Or you could look it up yourself if you’re that interested

[Stowaway]

Exactly that^

It seems to be a common misconception that a vegan diet = a healthy diet. It's not impossible to meet your nutritional requirements when vegan, but it requires a great deal of work and most vegans I know don't even come close to managing it. A lot of vegan brands totally mislead consumers on this issue too - my housemate is vegan and I saw some writing on her oat milk packaging that said meat is totally unnecessary in your diet nowadays and peas and broccoli are just as good a source of protein. Even ignoring the ridiculous fact that I'd have to eat roughly 2 kilos of broccoli just to get the same quantity of protein that's in a chicken breast, for example, I'd have to supplement that with other EAAs due to the incomplete nature and poorer amino acid profile of the protein in broccoli.

Most people who have a bad diet and are overweight aren't overweight because they eat meat, they're overweight because they eat too much and don't move enough.

That’s a really selective C&P, and it’s frankly bollocks. If you’re going to pass something off as your own work then maybe you ought to read it first to avoid looking like a willy. Here’s a more informed source;

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/the-vegan-diet/

[Currywurst and Chips]

Exactly that^

It seems to be a common misconception that a vegan diet = a healthy diet. It's not impossible to meet your nutritional requirements when vegan, but it requires a great deal of work and most vegans I know don't even come close to managing it. A lot of vegan brands totally mislead consumers on this issue too - my housemate is vegan and I saw some writing on her oat milk packaging that said meat is totally unnecessary in your diet nowadays and peas and broccoli are just as good a source of protein. Even ignoring the ridiculous fact that I'd have to eat roughly 2 kilos of broccoli just to get the same quantity of protein that's in a chicken breast, for example, I'd have to supplement that with other EAAs due to the incomplete nature and poorer amino acid profile of the protein in broccoli.

Most people who have a bad diet and are overweight aren't overweight because they eat meat, they're overweight because they eat too much and don't move enough.

That’s a really selective C&P, and it’s frankly bollocks. If you’re going to pass something off as your own work then maybe you ought to read it first to avoid looking like a willy. Here’s a more informed source;

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/the-vegan-diet/

I can't comment on the plagiarism you're suggesting. However I'm interested to hear what part(s) of the post you consider "bollocks" and why.

I appreciate you posting a link that confirms my points about the deficiencies of the vegan diet however

[Thor]

So what the thread has now turned into is that the human body actually since time began needs meet in their diet as the plants can’t give us enough of what we actually need to function properly. It’s not like caveman could walked into a pharmacy and grab himself some supplements now is it.

I’ll stick to eating meat.

[Thor]

Tonight I was sitting In Traffic and to my right was a subway and in the front window was a massive advert which said the following.

Vegan meatless meatball marinara Melt.

Why are they calling it a meatball when there’s zero meat content? Why is it not called a plant ball marinara melt?

What a loads of cobblers.

[Millennial Snowflake]

Exactly that^

It seems to be a common misconception that a vegan diet = a healthy diet. It's not impossible to meet your nutritional requirements when vegan, but it requires a great deal of work and most vegans I know don't even come close to managing it. A lot of vegan brands totally mislead consumers on this issue too - my housemate is vegan and I saw some writing on her oat milk packaging that said meat is totally unnecessary in your diet nowadays and peas and broccoli are just as good a source of protein. Even ignoring the ridiculous fact that I'd have to eat roughly 2 kilos of broccoli just to get the same quantity of protein that's in a chicken breast, for example, I'd have to supplement that with other EAAs due to the incomplete nature and poorer amino acid profile of the protein in broccoli.

Most people who have a bad diet and are overweight aren't overweight because they eat meat, they're overweight because they eat too much and don't move enough.

That’s a really selective C&P, and it’s frankly bollocks. If you’re going to pass something off as your own work then maybe you ought to read it first to avoid looking like a willy. Here’s a more informed source;

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/the-vegan-diet/

I haven’t C&P’d anything but please do let me know which part of it was bollocks.

The link you’ve posted backs up my point - for some reason it neglects to mention the inferiority of plant-based protein, and the advice of 5 portions of fruit and veggies, starch-based meals and 6-8 glasses of water a day should be the staple of any healthy diet, not just vegan.

I’m not trying to pass it off as my own work either. Everything I’ve said is factual, yet you seem keen to argue against actual science.

[StillSpike]

Tonight I was sitting In Traffic and to my right was a subway and in the front window was a massive advert which said the following.

Vegan meatless meatball marinara Melt.

Why are they calling it a meatball when there’s zero meat content? Why is it not called a plant ball marinara melt?

What a loads of cobblers.

I'm not sure why the labelling of a meat-free product with a name that sounds "meaty" is causing such anguish among some (not just you, Thor"""yyyy, there's a few who seem to think it's terrible).

If you're trying to describe a meat-free product that's like a meatball, for example. them I'd have thought it perfectly reasonable to describe it as a "meatless meatball" - the public will know what to expect (presuming they've had some experience of meatballs in the past)

When Greggs want to advertise their vegan steak slice it's not a terrible idea to call it that - given that it's just like a steak slice (but without meat).

Why does this vex people so much?

[Max B Gold]

Tonight I was sitting In Traffic and to my right was a subway and in the front window was a massive advert which said the following.

Vegan meatless meatball marinara Melt.

Why are they calling it a meatball when there’s zero meat content? Why is it not called a plant ball marinara melt?

What a loads of cobblers.

I'm not sure why the labelling of a meat-free product with a name that sounds "meaty" is causing such anguish among some (not just you, Thor"""yyyy, there's a few who seem to think it's terrible).

If you're trying to describe a meat-free product that's like a meatball, for example. them I'd have thought it perfectly reasonable to describe it as a "meatless meatball" - the public will know what to expect (presuming they've had some experience of meatballs in the past)

When Greggs want to advertise their vegan steak slice it's not a terrible idea to call it that - given that it's just like a steak slice (but without meat).

Why does this vex people so much?

Culture wars. It goes along with the racism, misogyny and other hatreds.

[tuffers#1]

Tonight I was sitting In Traffic and to my right was a subway and in the front window was a massive advert which said the following.

Vegan meatless meatball marinara Melt.

Why are they calling it a meatball when there’s zero meat content? Why is it not called a plant ball marinara melt?

What a loads of cobblers.

I'm not sure why the labelling of a meat-free product with a name that sounds "meaty" is causing such anguish among some (not just you, Thor"""yyyy, there's a few who seem to think it's terrible).

If you're trying to describe a meat-free product that's like a meatball, for example. them I'd have thought it perfectly reasonable to describe it as a "meatless meatball" - the public will know what to expect (presuming they've had some experience of meatballs in the past)

When Greggs want to advertise their vegan steak slice it's not a terrible idea to call it that - given that it's just like a steak slice (but without meat).

Why does this vex people so much?

Why not call them vegan spicy lentil balls
Or quorn patties ( burgers) or savoury minced mushrooms ( greggs vegan sausage roll) .

Which is very tasty .

As a meat eater im going to choose the real meat dish.

If someone said spicy vegetable pastry
Id buy that , i adore spicy veg .
Cauliflour broccoli carrots cooked with a bit of indian spice or mexican heat is delicous.

But all i see is vegan pastie or.sausage roll.
Let tje ingredients sell the product

Im more likely to spend more on that than
Meat dishes .
Im not going to buy a vegan sausage roll.
I will by a minced mushrroom pastry roll though.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Listen to yourselves, Jesus.

[Max B Gold]

Listen to yourselves, Jesus.

I once heard an American guy on the wireless who was dead against people eating "food like substances". (For the sake of argument sugar filled Doughnuts are a food like substance which kill Americans)

He was on about things like bread which on the loaf wrapper has 10 ingredients when we all know it should be flour, water and salt and maybe a bit of hashish or oil. But the additives are the issue and the problem with manufactured food.

He was very much in favour of mainly eating plant based food. Which it's hard to disagree with. Except they have taken all the salt and sugar out of Heinz Beans and now they taste rubbish.

All the branded foods which are now low this and low that is a bit like a reaction by the manufacturers to the ciggies scandal decades after it was known they killed us.

It's almost as though they want our most productive years and then who cares after that as we smoke and eat sh*t. There will be more along soon for the Treadmill.

[Thor]

This