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RedO wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:54 pm https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11971 ... hire/votes

Strewth, doesn’t make pleasant reading does it.

Basically she's pretty right wing. In fact if you just read her voting record and didn't tell anyone who you were describing they'd swear blind you were describing one of Cameron's cronies. Moderately socially liberal and extremely economically right wing.

I'm a lefty by inclination, but because of my heritage I can never bring myself around to vote for Corbyn. Even if you believe (erroneously) that he is some kind of benevolent old man I dislike the cult that surrounds him. And his 'followers' and the ones behind the scenes that pull the strings are truly vile individuals. John Mcdonnell and Seamus Milne are, well I can't even put into words how much I despise them class traitors.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:58 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:47 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:15 pm

But she supported austerity whilst she was in government.

She wasn’t in the government.

Coalition government, she defo was.

Not as a minister - she had no say.

Time for her to have some.

StockholmO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:40 am I'm a lefty by inclination, but because of my heritage I can never bring myself around to vote for Corbyn. Even if you believe (erroneously) that he is some kind of benevolent old man I dislike the cult that surrounds him. And his 'followers' and the ones behind the scenes that pull the strings are truly vile individuals. John Mcdonnell and Seamus Milne are, well I can't even put into words how much I despise them class traitors.

Then join the yellow revolution and Jo.

StockholmO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:40 am I'm a lefty by inclination,

StockholmO wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:40 am I'm a lefty by inclination, but because of my heritage I can never bring myself around to vote for Corbyn. Even if you believe (erroneously) that he is some kind of benevolent old man I dislike the cult that surrounds him. And his 'followers' and the ones behind the scenes that pull the strings are truly vile individuals. John Mcdonnell and Seamus Milne are, well I can't even put into words how much I despise them class traitors.

I'm a bit puzzled.

Even if you believe (erroneously) that he is some kind of benevolent old man

Who thinks this?

I dislike the cult that surrounds him

Do you understand what a cult is? Because I don't think you do.

And his 'followers' and the ones behind the scenes that pull the strings are truly vile individuals.

I assume you have some evidence of this.

John Mcdonnell and Seamus Milne are, well I can't even put into words how much I despise them class traitors.

Milne is certainly a class traitor. He is from an affluent family and by rights should be a self-serving, elitist kleptocrat. But he isn't. Instead he his politics is about wealth and power redistribution, which is against his own economic and power interests. Seems like a progressive kind of class treachery, no?

As for John McDonnell...how much more working class can you get? How exactly is he a class traitor? I'm not saying a case couldn't be made. Certainly from my perspective as an Anarchist I would say that all Social Democratic parties are detrimental to the class struggle but it doesn't sound like that is the perspective that you're coming from. So, in what way is John McDonnell a class traitor in your view?

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:23 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:15 pm The election is going to be a really interesting vote.

Will the youth mobilise again and vote (generally against the tories)? Will the turnout be high (tends to favour labour)? Or will the apathy play into tory hands, plus will Brexit split traditional party lines and what does that do for voting in the regions.

This will be an election like no other in the past 2 generations. I'm sure Boris will get the most votes, but will he get enough - and will Labour get enough to stop him?

I think Boris is in for a shock .
Farage is proper bregzit
Theyll take plenty of votes from the stories.

I think both parties could suffer serious fractures in their votes, but its to what degree. If you look at the Brexit results map then then the farther away from London you looked the more pro-Brexit they were. You could add it up to any number of meanings. I don't think the pollsters will have a clue - but they are going to have a field day guessing!

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:59 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:23 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:15 pm The election is going to be a really interesting vote.

Will the youth mobilise again and vote (generally against the tories)? Will the turnout be high (tends to favour labour)? Or will the apathy play into tory hands, plus will Brexit split traditional party lines and what does that do for voting in the regions.

This will be an election like no other in the past 2 generations. I'm sure Boris will get the most votes, but will he get enough - and will Labour get enough to stop him?

I think Boris is in for a shock .
Farage is proper bregzit
Theyll take plenty of votes from the stories.

I think both parties could suffer serious fractures in their votes, but its to what degree. If you look at the Brexit results map then then the farther away from London you looked the more pro-Brexit they were. You could add it up to any number of meanings. I don't think the pollsters will have a clue - but they are going to have a field day guessing!

And with the Lib Dems to mop up the Remain vote, we will have a right result.

The polls suggest otherwise.

I note from this morning's news that the leader of the extreme far right proto fascists a Mr N Farago of Imbecility is proposing an alliance of some sort with the extreme far right Tory Party.

Presumably the plan is to stand in Labour seats only to siphon off Labour leave voters. It won't work. Even Labour leavers won't vote to keep the Tories in. Their gut instinct and residual class allegiance will be the deciding factor.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:15 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:59 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:23 pm

I think Boris is in for a shock .
Farage is proper bregzit
Theyll take plenty of votes from the stories.

I think both parties could suffer serious fractures in their votes, but its to what degree. If you look at the Brexit results map then then the farther away from London you looked the more pro-Brexit they were. You could add it up to any number of meanings. I don't think the pollsters will have a clue - but they are going to have a field day guessing!

And with the Lib Dems to mop up the Remain vote, we will have a right result.

Who is "we"

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:10 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:15 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:59 am

I think both parties could suffer serious fractures in their votes, but its to what degree. If you look at the Brexit results map then then the farther away from London you looked the more pro-Brexit they were. You could add it up to any number of meanings. I don't think the pollsters will have a clue - but they are going to have a field day guessing!

And with the Lib Dems to mop up the Remain vote, we will have a right result.

Who is "we"

The people.

No surprise . I’ll be voting for the Brexit Party. As far as I’m concerned all three main political parties can hold hands and jump off a cliff.

Max.

Good to see how you are voting.

Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:19 pm Max.

Good to see how you are voting.

Not me chief. Probably that traitor East"""yyyyy.

On a rabid left wing board the tories are closing the gap.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:31 am I note from this morning's news that the leader of the extreme far right proto fascists a Mr N Farago of Imbecility is proposing an alliance of some sort with the extreme far right Tory Party.

Presumably the plan is to stand in Labour seats only to siphon off Labour leave voters. It won't work. Even Labour leavers won't vote to keep the Tories in. Their gut instinct and residual class allegiance will be the deciding factor.

Seems like that’s not going to happen as Boris has said a vote for anyone other than the tories let’s steptoe into downing st.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:42 am

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:58 pm

Disoriented wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:47 pm

She wasn’t in the government.

Coalition government, she defo was.

Not as a minister - she had no say.

Time for her to have some.

Well she’s certainly got a big enough mouth

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:02 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:31 am I note from this morning's news that the leader of the extreme far right proto fascists a Mr N Farago of Imbecility is proposing an alliance of some sort with the extreme far right Tory Party.

Presumably the plan is to stand in Labour seats only to siphon off Labour leave voters. It won't work. Even Labour leavers won't vote to keep the Tories in. Their gut instinct and residual class allegiance will be the deciding factor.

Seems like that’s not going to happen as Boris has said a vote for anyone other than the tories let’s steptoe into downing st.

Wrong, the leader of the fascists is actually a Mrs N Sturgeon

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:31 am I note from this morning's news that the leader of the extreme far right proto fascists a Mr N Farago of Imbecility is proposing an alliance of some sort with the extreme far right Tory Party.

Presumably the plan is to stand in Labour seats only to siphon off Labour leave voters. It won't work. Even Labour leavers won't vote to keep the Tories in. Their gut instinct and residual class allegiance will be the deciding factor.

Worried, are we ?

The majority of my mates who drink in the supporters club and sit with me in the west side are Conservative voters.
They make me feel I am doing something wrong supporting the Labour Party.
I now pick my games and mates.

Sad if you pick you’re mates based on how they vote. That implies politics and politicians have power over you. They should not. We are all autonomous individuals. All governments want to do is manipulate you. F the state.

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:30 am I have no faith in the system what so ever but the prospect of a Tory government will probably always be sufficient to motivate me to vote for the least worst option and that'll be Labour. I will never understand how someone can vote Tory. It seems a tacit admission that the poor/vulnerable are scum and deserve to be tormented whilst the least good amongst us, those who would gladly bleed an essential public service dry and to hell with the social consequences are showered with sycophantic reverence and tribute.

What utter garbage you talk, I pay my way, opted to educate my children privately at considerable cost (freeing up spaces in the state system) have private health insurance thus saving the NHS , in my case, well over 100k in the last fifteen years
I work voluntarily for a charity and support the homeless . I don’t see how this ‘bleeds the essential public services dry’. Please explain.

True but it anit worth the bother at a football match.
These football mates are no more.

Bluecap wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:02 pm The majority of my mates who drink in the supporters club and sit with me in the west side are Conservative voters.
They make me feel I am doing something wrong supporting the Labour Party.
I now pick my games and mates.

It is totally irrelevant who your friends vote for and IF anyone is ridiculed for voting a different way they are not proper friends. I have many friends who have very different views to mine. That’s life and I’m very happy with it. Nothing better than a healthy disagreement whilst eating or drinking but ultimately we all respect each other’s views. Get a life!