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Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:50 pm**

They all looked shot by 80 mins. Our fitness was something that stood out last season so not sure what's happened there. Don't think playing such poor opposition pre-season helped.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:02 pm**

eagwgw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:33 am If Justin was around, Alabi would have been exiled, just like the original Boco or Mooney.

Perhaps things are different for Ross. His job security and authority are much less than Justin's so couldn't afford an unhappy guy in the background kicking up a stink.

Don't think that is Alabi really, comes across as such a nice guy to the extent that if you asked him to shut up in the cinema he'd probably apologise. I'd love to see him be nastier on the pitch, get in people's faces and intimidate. Sadly I think his lack of results here probably renders that ineffective now, a good defender would be quite confident of getting the better of him if he keeps his head.

I would imagine despite not being on the list he is still very much up for sale.

Agreed.

The way Justin excluded him so readily makes me think Alabi wasn’t his man. I’m not saying he didn’t agree to it, just it wasn’t his shout. The way he’s come back into the fold would indicate others ie Ling and Embleton were behind it. Same applies to Gorman to a lesser extent.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:02 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:50 pm They all looked shot by 80 mins. Our fitness was something that stood out last season so not sure what's happened there. Don't think playing such poor opposition pre-season helped.

Fair point.

Especially when we had so much of th ball, they should have been the ones on their arses. Not sure what’s going on there. Have we changed the fitness team?

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:22 pm**

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:02 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:50 pm They all looked shot by 80 mins. Our fitness was something that stood out last season so not sure what's happened there. Don't think playing such poor opposition pre-season helped.
Fair point.

Especially when we had so much of th ball, they should have been the ones on their arses. Not sure what’s going on there. Have we changed the fitness team?

The staff did change as Michael Amoah left in summer

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:26 pm**

There are one or two things that don’t look right. Fitness is one, but the players seemed to be having a real go at each other during the match. oK it happens but some of it looked nasty. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but they don’t seem quite together as they were. Perhaps the pressure is getting to them

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:21 pm**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:26 pm There are one or two things that don’t look right. Fitness is one, but the players seemed to be having a real go at each other during the match. oK it happens but some of it looked nasty. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but they don’t seem quite together as they were. Perhaps the pressure is getting to them

Tosh. Absolute tosh.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:26 pm There are one or two things that don’t look right. Fitness is one, but the players seemed to be having a real go at each other during the match. oK it happens but some of it looked nasty. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but they don’t seem quite together as they were. Perhaps the pressure is getting to them

Were you watching the same match as the rest of us?

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:41 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:26 pm There are one or two things that don’t look right. Fitness is one, but the players seemed to be having a real go at each other during the match. oK it happens but some of it looked nasty. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but they don’t seem quite together as they were. Perhaps the pressure is getting to them
Were you watching the same match as the rest of us?

As ive said before Des

Different seats in different stands
offer different views of a game
Different eyes sitting in those seats always means a different game is watched.

I thought you claimed to be some sort of Footballing aficionado .

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:42 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:41 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:26 pm There are one or two things that don’t look right. Fitness is one, but the players seemed to be having a real go at each other during the match. oK it happens but some of it looked nasty. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but they don’t seem quite together as they were. Perhaps the pressure is getting to them
Were you watching the same match as the rest of us?
As ive said before Des

Different seats in different stands
offer different views of a game
Different eyes sitting in those seats always means a different game is watched.

I thought you claimed to be some sort of Footballing aficionado .

With good eyes too.

You in your argumentative zone again I see.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:48 pm**

Touching 30 degrees yesterday yeah course the players should run round for 90 minutes like usain bolt

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:53 pm**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:48 pm Touching 30 degrees yesterday yeah course the players should run round for 90 minutes like usain bolt

Eh?

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:56 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:26 pm There are one or two things that don’t look right. Fitness is one, but the players seemed to be having a real go at each other during the match. oK it happens but some of it looked nasty. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but they don’t seem quite together as they were. Perhaps the pressure is getting to them
Were you watching the same match as the rest of us?

I was. I was watching and taking note. Brophy at one point looked like he was going apeshit. And there was general friction on more than one occasion. Perhaps just the occasion and no more. I’m quite observant and haven’t really noticed the aggro at this level before.

As for fitness. They looked shagged out at the end and Crawley finished the stronger.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:58 pm**

Might have something to do with the pace and physicality of a league higher. We were playing part time teams every other week last season. They'll probably get up to speed but i do think theres a noticeable change of pace. Most of our games have been end to end.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:58 pm**

Catch up disgruntled
Maybe you should do some reverse reading then the penny might drop
I know your busy with your Ling hating posse trying to justify your existences on a message board poor lambs home life must be so dull

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:59 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:53 pm
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:48 pm Touching 30 degrees yesterday yeah course the players should run round for 90 minutes like usain bolt
Eh?

Same temperature for both teams and frankly Crawley looked OK. We had a few puffing and blowing like old geezers, Clay for example.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:06 pm**

So you didn’t notice that Clay took a knock quite early in the second half?
Also quite a few Crawley players where huffing and puffing as you put it near the end
Amazing what people refuse to see innit

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:18 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:42 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:41 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm

Were you watching the same match as the rest of us?
As ive said before Des

Different seats in different stands
offer different views of a game
Different eyes sitting in those seats always means a different game is watched.

I thought you claimed to be some sort of Footballing aficionado .
With good eyes too.

You in your argumentative zone again I see.

Hardly argumentative
Just correcting self appointed pompous educated fan/s

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:21 pm**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:06 pm So you didn’t notice that Clay took a knock quite early in the second half?
Also quite a few Crawley players where huffing and puffing as you put it near the end
Amazing what people refuse to see innit

Don’t remember that but he did take one midway through the first half. Not that it should have affected his fitness level. (Not that I noticed any problem, he was covering as much ground as he usually does).

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:40 pm**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:06 pm So you didn’t notice that Clay took a knock quite early in the second half?
Also quite a few Crawley players where huffing and puffing as you put it near the end
Amazing what people refuse to see innit

Not the first time though. Been said before.

Probably adjusting to a faster tempo type of football. I thought Crawley on the whole looked comfortable with the pace of 5he game throughout.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:21 pm**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:06 pm So you didn’t notice that Clay took a knock quite early in the second half?
Also quite a few Crawley players where huffing and puffing as you put it near the end
Amazing what people refuse to see innit

If he took a knock even more baffling we put Gorman on. Not the first game he's looked off the pace though, does seem to be the step up in pace and quality having an impact.

Some rubbished the idea that L2 is a step up in quality from NL but it's becoming rather apparent now.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:02 pm**

Why baffling Gorman is an attacking midfielder

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:27 pm**

Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:02 pm Why baffling Gorman is an attacking midfielder

If Clay had took a knock early 2nd half and was struggling as a result take him off and replace like-for-like before the goals go in. All ifs and maybes in the grand scheme of things but Clay definitely didn't look right compared to his usual swashbuckling self.

Playing through the pain is honourable but if there's options on the bench use them to keep everyone fit and firing.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:36 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:27 pm
Lucky7 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:02 pm Why baffling Gorman is an attacking midfielder
If Clay had took a knock early 2nd half and was struggling as a result take him off and replace like-for-like before the goals go in. All ifs and maybes in the grand scheme of things but Clay definitely didn't look right compared to his usual swashbuckling self.

Playing through the pain is honourable but if there's options on the bench use them to keep everyone fit and firing.

At 2-1 up , that's when Marsh should have come on for Clay.

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:38 pm**

LOFC1948 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:40 pm Dennis in the first half looked electric I thought. Second half he just disappeared! - or was I watching a different game ?

Nearly equalised at the end

Posted: **Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:08 pm**

dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:56 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm
dOh Nut wrote: ↑Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:26 pm There are one or two things that don’t look right. Fitness is one, but the players seemed to be having a real go at each other during the match. oK it happens but some of it looked nasty. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but they don’t seem quite together as they were. Perhaps the pressure is getting to them
Were you watching the same match as the rest of us?
I was. I was watching and taking note. Brophy at one point looked like he was going apeshit. And there was general friction on more than one occasion. Perhaps just the occasion and no more. I’m quite observant and haven’t really noticed the aggro at this level before.

As for fitness. They looked shagged out at the end and Crawley finished the stronger.

That's true . I noticed Brophy going ballistic as well.

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