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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:10 pm

Jeremy Bentham wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:54 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:21 pm For 90 mins CBs were solid and despite both Charlton wingers ripping us to shreds out wide didn't pose much threat in front of goal.

Concede one corner and the team goes to pot, Cooper and Sweeney dive in then get caught out of position in the lead up to the second corner goal.

Inexperience showed today and thought when it came to the physical battles we were very much second best.

Reminded me of the Huddersfield game, just couldn't cope with their physicality. Fair play, they spotted our weakness and exploited it.

That's what I was going to say . I'd forgotten just how easily Perkins is knocked off the ball . . Horrible way to lose but to be honest I've got no complaints . I thought Charlton were better than us all afternoon . We didn't look at it whatsoever. We did look better when Agyei came on but we didn't do enough . However we had another stonewall penalty not given . Even I could clearly see the ball hit the Charlton's players arm inside the penalty area . If I could see it why couldn't the linesmen . I'm not being biased here but it was clear handball

We looked better when Agyei came on? Really, I didn’t see him make much impact!

Thought Charlton's two wide players the number 7 and the 25 (who was a huge unit) looked really decent. The keeper looked good too. But the rest of them I thought were very poor. They are just a real hoofball team full of huge physical players - a bit like watching Wimbledon in the late 70s. And the celebrations at the end were absolutely nauseating. You'd have thought they had won the F A Cup and the Champions league rolled into one instead of a match between two teams who were 8th and 9th in League One.

Sickening the way it happened but we didn’t deserve anything from the game.

Both their goals were from the Arsenal training ground - decent delivery to a lump at the back post, block the keeper off in the middle of the goal.

Too many tired players out there today - Galbraith and Donley nowhere near their best ( understandably). I thought Prat’s was only playing once a week from now on?

Perkins had to come off at half time. Just wasn’t happening for him.

We need to have a rethink of how we play whilst Cooper is starting. He’s a solid enough defender but he simply isn’t good enough on the ball to play our passing game. If he starts, we have to go more direct, which means different personnel.

Highwood Man wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:24 pm Thought Charlton's two wide players the number 7 and the 25 (who was a huge unit) looked really decent. The keeper looked good too. But the rest of them I thought were very poor. They are just a real hoofball team full of huge physical players - a bit like watching Wimbledon in the late 70s. And the celebrations at the end were absolutely nauseating. You'd have thought they had won the F A Cup and the Champions league rolled into one instead of a match between two teams who were 8th and 9th in League One.

All teams react like that when they beat us!

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:10 pm

Jeremy Bentham wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:54 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:21 pm For 90 mins CBs were solid and despite both Charlton wingers ripping us to shreds out wide didn't pose much threat in front of goal.

Concede one corner and the team goes to pot, Cooper and Sweeney dive in then get caught out of position in the lead up to the second corner goal.

Inexperience showed today and thought when it came to the physical battles we were very much second best.

Reminded me of the Huddersfield game, just couldn't cope with their physicality. Fair play, they spotted our weakness and exploited it.

Charlton looked more Championship ready side in terms of the number of strong, quick physical players in the side. We couldn't handle them first half, managed to get on top playing superior football but ultimately lost to two Sunday League esque punts into the box.

I don't think neither Orient nor Charlton will be bothering that league though, they're lacking in firepower upfront (else they would've been 2 up at HT) and our fringe players aren't quite good enough at top 6 level when we have first teamers out

Charlton are nowhere near championship ready.

We’ve been poor from set peices for weeks btw. Look at the few goals we’ve actually let in

Disappointing but we should have been 2/3 down at half time. We're not quite good enough to go up I'm sad to say. 4 months ago we were going to be relegated, it's a great achievement to be where we are now.. Mid/high table is probably a fair reflection of where we deserve to be.

Captain Zep wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:40 pm Disappointing but we should have been 2/3 down at half time. We're not quite good enough to go up I'm sad to say. 4 months ago we were going to be relegated, it's a great achievement to be where we are now.. Mid/high table is probably a fair reflection of where we deserve to be.

We are good enough if we didn't have so many injuries and ridiculous suspensions. However , that's football so we've just got to get on with it . Still plenty of games to go with more twists and turns .It's not over until it's over .

Gutting way to lose but how the f*** Charlton managed to get through 90 minutes without scoring is anyone's guess. We had that coming, would have been a borderline robbery if we'd taken all 3 points. Which is despite the fact they were crap.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:03 pm Gutting way to lose but how the f*** Charlton managed to get through 90 minutes without scoring is anyone's guess. We had that coming, would have been a borderline robbery if we'd taken all 3 points. Which is despite the fact they were crap.

They're a strange team to watch, the two wingers are so tricky but no-one looked remotely like getting on the end of anything put across goal.

They were strong in the 50:50 challenges but then equally likely to punt the pass out of play, their defender gifted a perfect through ball for, I think Kelman but we couldn't take advantage of it.

Having got into the winning position we didn't manage the game well at the end, which is unusual for an RW team. Perhaps the fixture schedule is catching up mentally as much as physically in these fine margins.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:16 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:03 pm Gutting way to lose but how the f*** Charlton managed to get through 90 minutes without scoring is anyone's guess. We had that coming, would have been a borderline robbery if we'd taken all 3 points. Which is despite the fact they were crap.

They're a strange team to watch, the two wingers are so tricky but no-one looked remotely like getting on the end of anything put across goal.

They were strong in the 50:50 challenges but then equally likely to punt the pass out of play, their defender gifted a perfect through ball for, I think Kelman but we couldn't take advantage of it.

Having got into the winning position we didn't manage the game well at the end, which is unusual for an RW team. Perhaps the fixture schedule is catching up mentally as much as physically in these fine margins.

Maybe it is fatigue because we were a long way off our best today

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:26 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:16 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:03 pm Gutting way to lose but how the f*** Charlton managed to get through 90 minutes without scoring is anyone's guess. We had that coming, would have been a borderline robbery if we'd taken all 3 points. Which is despite the fact they were crap.

They're a strange team to watch, the two wingers are so tricky but no-one looked remotely like getting on the end of anything put across goal.

They were strong in the 50:50 challenges but then equally likely to punt the pass out of play, their defender gifted a perfect through ball for, I think Kelman but we couldn't take advantage of it.

Having got into the winning position we didn't manage the game well at the end, which is unusual for an RW team. Perhaps the fixture schedule is catching up mentally as much as physically in these fine margins.

Maybe it is fatigue because we were a long way off our best today

Thought we were good after HT, but probably should have been 0-2 down by then as Charlton bossed the 1st half
We did look tired but I thought we deserved a point.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:16 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:03 pm Gutting way to lose but how the f*** Charlton managed to get through 90 minutes without scoring is anyone's guess. We had that coming, would have been a borderline robbery if we'd taken all 3 points. Which is despite the fact they were crap.

They're a strange team to watch, the two wingers are so tricky but no-one looked remotely like getting on the end of anything put across goal.

They were strong in the 50:50 challenges but then equally likely to punt the pass out of play, their defender gifted a perfect through ball for, I think Kelman but we couldn't take advantage of it.

Having got into the winning position we didn't manage the game well at the end, which is unusual for an RW team. Perhaps the fixture schedule is catching up mentally as much as physically in these fine margins.

Yeah, while it would've been a bit jammy to win, we should have seen it out much better. Threw it away, needed to grind it out when we'd not been at our best.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:36 pm We’ve been poor from set peices for weeks btw. Look at the few goals we’ve actually let in

Where’s Daryl McMahon when you need him?

All the clubs that are now above us all have much bigger budgets than us . Really, we've been punching above our weight . We're down but we're not out . We have to bounce back against Rotherham Tuesday night and get on another good run

Clare looked off the pace, should have brought Ball on.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:44 pm Clare looked off the pace, should have brought Ball on.

Yeah seemed surprising at the time, especially after Ball's aerial clearing header heroics the other week

Qin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:18 pm Could see something like that was going to happen

Too physically weak defending those two corners, and Keeley should have done a lot better on both

Play-offs not in our hands now

Keeley has been dodgy for the last 3 or 4 games but seems to be immune from criticism since the Oldham goal. His handling of the ball has been poor.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:56 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:44 pm Clare looked off the pace, should have brought Ball on.

Yeah seemed surprising at the time, especially after Ball's aerial clearing header heroics the other week

Clare dropped in to the back line. That’s why he was chosen over Ball.

Charlton beat us on every metric
Outplayed us
Out muscled us, we were looking for fouls as they played on
Won-the second balls
We were ponderous in build up play,,too many backwards/sideways passes
First half struggled to put two passes together
And Charlton outsung us
No complaints,,they deserved the win

PKM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:10 am Charlton beat us on every metric
Outplayed us
Out muscled us, we were looking for fouls as they played on
Won-the second balls
We were ponderous in build up play,,too many backwards/sideways passes
First half struggled to put two passes together
And Charlton outsung us
No complaints,,they deserved the win

Yeah , but what is still pissing me off at 1.45 am in the morning is the foul on Keeley for their second goal and the clear handball inside their penalty box . The whole West side saw it including me . How the f*** the linesman missed it is beyond me

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:54 pm

Captain Zep wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:40 pm Disappointing but we should have been 2/3 down at half time. We're not quite good enough to go up I'm sad to say. 4 months ago we were going to be relegated, it's a great achievement to be where we are now.. Mid/high table is probably a fair reflection of where we deserve to be.

We are good enough if we didn't have so many injuries and ridiculous suspensions. However , that's football so we've just got to get on with it . Still plenty of games to go with more twists and turns .It's not over until it's over .

Every club gets injuries, Excuses need to stop. In the sace of 5 games, we've lost our points & game in hand advantage sitting comfortably in 6th to being out of the p.o spots 3 points behind & a game more played

Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:48 am Think ultimately we aren't quite a top 6 side. Our results and performances against the teams around us haven't been good, and it's been a consistent enough issue that mitigating factors like injuries or tiredness don't hold up. The better teams in the division seem to be able to press us high up the pitch and expose how physically limited our central midfield is.

Even being in contention for the play offs is a superb achievement for a club of our size and it's been a great season. Our run in is pretty favourable so it's possible we could still nab 6th place. But I wouldn't back us to progress against any of those sides around us, save for maybe Wrexham.

Yeah , I would agree with that . I think ultimately they have bigger and stronger squads than us . Money talks and the top six all have it .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:48 am

PKM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:10 am Charlton beat us on every metric
Outplayed us
Out muscled us, we were looking for fouls as they played on
Won-the second balls
We were ponderous in build up play,,too many backwards/sideways passes
First half struggled to put two passes together
And Charlton outsung us
No complaints,,they deserved the win

Yeah , but what is still pissing me off at 1.45 am in the morning is the foul on Keeley for their second goal and the clear handball inside their penalty box . The whole West side saw it including me . How the f*** the linesman missed it is beyond me

That was a clear penalty at the end , everyone saw it including the Lino he was too scared to flag . It’s unbelievable we have not had a pen all season in league