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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:33 pm Just as an aside
Has anyone seen the
Ohh tommy tommy tommy tommy milkshake videos ?

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:44 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 4:33 pm Just as an aside
Has anyone seen the
Ohh tommy tommy tommy tommy milkshake videos ?

Yeah, I saw that. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke. Well done to the Asian lad who refused to let that a-hole use him for a PR stunt.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 9:12 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 11:23 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 10:25 pm
So if the majority in Scotland wish to be free of its biggest trading partner and yearns for its freedom to express itself by becoming a small and independent country, then if so, once its gains its independence from the UK, Scotland will then offer itself up to be swallowed up whole as a small country to become little more than a province of the undemocratic EU Superstate !! To be swallowed up whole by the EU !! All this could take many years to achieve and that's IF it all goes smoothly and Spain or any other Countries do NOT change their minds and veto such a thing happening. So we now imagine that after gaining its independence from the UK, this proud and newly Independent Scotland would then now CHOOSE to give up its new Independence, freedom to trade under its own terms and conditions to any Country in the world, plus control over its newly claimed back fishing grounds, to give this all up to its new master, the EU. Also be forced to accept the Euro as its currency and also to have NO control over its borders at all as to who comes into this fiercely proud and historic Country from the EU Countries ? Ok if that is what you and the majority of the Scottish people yearn for, then so be it !!

Yes please. We need to be free of your bullying and threats.

We are happier in the EU. Election proves it. Scotland voted 62% to stay in the EU.

Forget the greedy fishermen(Scottish and others). They are the ones who are trying to ruin our planet in pursuit of money. They already cheated the attempts to preserve fish stocks. Check the internet.

Well that is your opinion and you are fully entitled to give it, that is your right, but to as to if and when it comes to it, see the results of any new referendum before it actually happens for real. As to ''greedy fishermen'' well, since the earliest recorded history of mankind, fishermen have fished the seas in order to supply a human desire and need to eat fish as part of a good and sustainable diet. Also most fish tastes very nice, so you or anyone else is not going to change that eating habit. As to who can be trusted to not overfish scottish waters in order to keep the fish stock at a healthy and sustainable level, well I think Brith fishermen have a better record of doing so than trusting the EU fishermen to do it for you. Also strange that you would prefer to trust the EU and their fishermen to regulate and maintain the future Scottish fishing stocks, rather than your own scottish fishermen and government, be it in a situation where Scotland stays in a UK that has left the EU, or in the case of your future wish, an Independent Scotland out of the EU for a number of years both before and after any future possible EU membership.
Of course another scenario could happen, Scotland could vote to LEAVE the UK, then be OUT of the EU, then flourish as an Independent Sovereign Nation !! IMO Scotland is a much loved Country all over the world, people from many parts of the world love its people, history, Countryside, Towns and Cities, heritage etc and also the products it produces, Scottish Whisky to name just one !! So let us picture this new Independent Scotland and I could well imagine money coming in from all over the world to create jobs and industry. The ''Made in Scotland'' brand is something really special to cherish. I know many Americans love Scotland as do many Asian Countries ( especially China ) think of all this and the investment that would most likely come into your country from non EU Countries. So if Scotland flourished in their newly found state of independence, then why would the Scottish people want to change all this, forsake their newly found freedom, give this all up in order to come under the control of the undemocratic EU ?
Also why on earth would socialists support the ''neoliberal, undemocratic EU'' ? After all, the EU is a deeply undemocratic institution enforcing austerity and privatisation on its member states. In what strange world is this a progressive institution and why would the proud and fiercely Independent Scots not want to be the masters of their own destiny ? Trading deals and close links with the UK, Eu and the rest of the world, yes of course, but surely retain the freedom to govern yourselves !!

FFS am I supposed to read this and reply,?

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:09 pm Maybe McDonalds should offer him a part in their next advertising campaign? I was also impressed with the Robinson accolyte "I am soldier" who, clearly rattled, threatened to knock a 16 year olds teeth out because he was "carrying" a strawberry shake. I just hope the Russians aren't realising how easy it is to intimidate the British Army.....

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 6:55 pm Seems like dousing Stephen in milkshake is becoming a thing

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/vid ... days-video

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:32 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 9:12 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 11:23 pm

Yes please. We need to be free of your bullying and threats.

We are happier in the EU. Election proves it. Scotland voted 62% to stay in the EU.

Forget the greedy fishermen(Scottish and others). They are the ones who are trying to ruin our planet in pursuit of money. They already cheated the attempts to preserve fish stocks. Check the internet.

Well that is your opinion and you are fully entitled to give it, that is your right, but to as to if and when it comes to it, see the results of any new referendum before it actually happens for real. As to ''greedy fishermen'' well, since the earliest recorded history of mankind, fishermen have fished the seas in order to supply a human desire and need to eat fish as part of a good and sustainable diet. Also most fish tastes very nice, so you or anyone else is not going to change that eating habit. As to who can be trusted to not overfish scottish waters in order to keep the fish stock at a healthy and sustainable level, well I think Brith fishermen have a better record of doing so than trusting the EU fishermen to do it for you. Also strange that you would prefer to trust the EU and their fishermen to regulate and maintain the future Scottish fishing stocks, rather than your own scottish fishermen and government, be it in a situation where Scotland stays in a UK that has left the EU, or in the case of your future wish, an Independent Scotland out of the EU for a number of years both before and after any future possible EU membership.
Of course another scenario could happen, Scotland could vote to LEAVE the UK, then be OUT of the EU, then flourish as an Independent Sovereign Nation !! IMO Scotland is a much loved Country all over the world, people from many parts of the world love its people, history, Countryside, Towns and Cities, heritage etc and also the products it produces, Scottish Whisky to name just one !! So let us picture this new Independent Scotland and I could well imagine money coming in from all over the world to create jobs and industry. The ''Made in Scotland'' brand is something really special to cherish. I know many Americans love Scotland as do many Asian Countries ( especially China ) think of all this and the investment that would most likely come into your country from non EU Countries. So if Scotland flourished in their newly found state of independence, then why would the Scottish people want to change all this, forsake their newly found freedom, give this all up in order to come under the control of the undemocratic EU ?
Also why on earth would socialists support the ''neoliberal, undemocratic EU'' ? After all, the EU is a deeply undemocratic institution enforcing austerity and privatisation on its member states. In what strange world is this a progressive institution and why would the proud and fiercely Independent Scots not want to be the masters of their own destiny ? Trading deals and close links with the UK, Eu and the rest of the world, yes of course, but surely retain the freedom to govern yourselves !!

FFS am I supposed to read this and reply,?

then why would the Scottish people want to change all this, forsake their newly found freedom, give this all up in order to come under the control of the undemocratic EU ? - As I've already pointed out, in this era of global economics there's no such thing as a truly independent country. And I don't see the EU as being any more undemocratic than being shackled to a UK govt that the majority of Scots didn't vote for and don't want.

Mikero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:49 am I am still waiting for the list of a hundred ways that Brexit will improve things. I suspect they will be along the lines of "You won't have to worry about finding a reliable plumber, there won't be any"

Mikero

Orientinoz wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 12:14 am This sounds familiar....Another facist leader unhappy with the way the voting went...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48177740

EH16 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:16 am

Orientinoz wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 12:14 am This sounds familiar....Another facist leader unhappy with the way the voting went...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48177740

Idiotic post.

Orientinoz wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 1:36 pm

EH16 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 7:16 am

Orientinoz wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 12:14 am This sounds familiar....Another facist leader unhappy with the way the voting went...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48177740

Idiotic post.

Looks as if an idiot read it as well....

greyhound wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:15 pm just goes to show how democracy is being ignored whichever county you live in.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 4:52 pm As everybody knows on here, I'm a passionate Brexiteer but even I concede its now not going to happen. Max can now also kiss Scottish independence goodbye because that's not going to happen either. Might as well end this thread right now. Independence is a thing of the past. We're all going to end up living in a federal superstate called Europe. Get used to it folks.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 4:52 pm As everybody knows on here, I'm a passionate Brexiteer but even I concede its now not going to happen. Max can now also kiss Scottish independence goodbye because that's not going to happen either. Might as well end this thread right now. Independence is a thing of the past. We're all going to end up living in a federal superstate called Europe. Get used to it folks.

EH16 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:39 pm

greyhound wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:15 pm just goes to show how democracy is being ignored whichever county you live in.

Still don't see that. The referendum vote was to leave and that's what we're doing unless there's another (democratic) vote which changes that. The issue is under what conditions we leave and that wasn't a choice given in the referendum. It's now our (democratically elected) MP's who can't come to an agreement as to what those conditions should be. How's that ignoring democracy?

Your own individual wishes may be being ignored but that's the price you pay for living in a democracy.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 6:58 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 4:52 pm As everybody knows on here, I'm a passionate Brexiteer but even I concede its now not going to happen. Max can now also kiss Scottish independence goodbye because that's not going to happen either. Might as well end this thread right now. Independence is a thing of the past. We're all going to end up living in a federal superstate called Europe. Get used to it folks.

Do you really think it won’t happen now Red and if so, who is to blame?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:05 am

Disoriented wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 6:58 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 4:52 pm As everybody knows on here, I'm a passionate Brexiteer but even I concede its now not going to happen. Max can now also kiss Scottish independence goodbye because that's not going to happen either. Might as well end this thread right now. Independence is a thing of the past. We're all going to end up living in a federal superstate called Europe. Get used to it folks.

Do you really think it won’t happen now Red and if so, who is to blame?

Honestly ,It's crystal clear to me now that Brexit isn't going to happen . I blame Theresa May and a Remainer Parliament . It was Parliament who voted to give us a referendum in the first place and said they would abide by the result and then they went back on their word . I think the Brexit Party will win the EU Elections but it won't change a thing , we're staying. The establishment is just too powerful and Parliament won't allow it . God only knows what damage this has done to our democracy . Short term we'll be more prosperous but long term I think it will all end up in tears.