Independent Leyton Orient Forum

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:02 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:53 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:46 am

Thanks to Justin and Richie.

And the DoF

Basically the success he claims as his own relied on two strong managers doing things their way, with a squad of pros.

Pros brought in by Ling. Our squad for league 2 was excellent and he obviously deserves credit for the part he played in one of our only ever titles. Revising our record so that everything good was despite Ling, and everything bad was because of Ling, is certainly a take.

Guys hit his ceiling but trashing his achievements at the club is unnecessary and silly.

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:02 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:53 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:46 am

Thanks to Justin and Richie.

And the DoF

The DoF had us on course for NL South before JE bailed him out
The DoF appointed Fletcher and Embleton (two sackable offences right there)
The DoF gave Jackett the worst January transfer window the club had ever seen leaving us on the brink of NL before Richie bailed him out

Basically the success he claims as his own relied on two strong managers doing things their way, with a squad of pros. Once the old tropes of weak youth players and injury prone signings come back round then the cycle repeats again.

We often talk about the Brentford / Peterborough model but we still look miles away from getting anywhere near that.

Your reply is selective nonsense. Apparrently when we fail its the DoFs fault, and when we succeed its the managers.

Ling appointed two great managers in Justin and Richie. Basically the failure was due to weaker managers doing things their own way, with a squad of pros.

Reply is selective nonsense like yours.

Looking at it objectively, over the whole the period that the DoF has overseen, Orient have been more successful than not.

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:30 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:02 pm

Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:53 am

And the DoF

The DoF had us on course for NL South before JE bailed him out
The DoF appointed Fletcher and Embleton (two sackable offences right there)
The DoF gave Jackett the worst January transfer window the club had ever seen leaving us on the brink of NL before Richie bailed him out

Basically the success he claims as his own relied on two strong managers doing things their way, with a squad of pros. Once the old tropes of weak youth players and injury prone signings come back round then the cycle repeats again.

We often talk about the Brentford / Peterborough model but we still look miles away from getting anywhere near that.

Your reply is selective nonsense. Apparrently when we fail its the DoFs fault, and when we succeed its the managers.

Ling appointed two great managers in Justin and Richie. Basically the failure was due to weaker managers doing things their own way, with a squad of pros.

Reply is selective nonsense like yours.

Looking at it objectively, over the whole the period that the DoF has overseen, Orient have been more successful than not.

Ling has not had a decisive role in picking the "Head Coach" since Embleton second time around, and for good reason. And he didn't have to put any work in to get JE, JE was very forceful in putting himself forward for the role. Thank God.

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:22 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:20 am It's weird that you have some people complaining he's too rigid and set in his ways, and others moaning he tinkers too much and makes too many subs.

I think the problem is, we are fans but he himself doesn't the answers right now to this, a lot of the current issues stem from Richie this season not knowing his best 11, best style, best formation, best subs, we look confused and clueless a lot of the time, especially in the final third, when you watch Orient plays once the ball gets to the final third we look clueless with no real idea of what to do and then the ball goes back and back, till a big kick that one of the front three won't win in the air, there isn't a defined playstyle, most other teams you know the wingers will run with the ball or the big striker will hold it, there is no attacking plan

This is right and for us all (or most of us) to see. But this has nothing to do with Richie, it's the recruitment that is the cause of it all.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:47 am

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:22 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:20 am It's weird that you have some people complaining he's too rigid and set in his ways, and others moaning he tinkers too much and makes too many subs.

I think the problem is, we are fans but he himself doesn't the answers right now to this, a lot of the current issues stem from Richie this season not knowing his best 11, best style, best formation, best subs, we look confused and clueless a lot of the time, especially in the final third, when you watch Orient plays once the ball gets to the final third we look clueless with no real idea of what to do and then the ball goes back and back, till a big kick that one of the front three won't win in the air, there isn't a defined playstyle, most other teams you know the wingers will run with the ball or the big striker will hold it, there is no attacking plan

This is right and for us all (or most of us) to see. But this has nothing to do with Richie, it's the recruitment that is the cause of it all.

It has as much to do with Richie as the recruitment. If we're looking to apportion blame, let's not take sides and accept that there are many causes.

Don't want to see Wellens sacked, but he's over-rated by some on here, and also by himself

He could do with working on certain things such as:

* Behaving like a baboon on the touchline- such as kicking bottles and haranguing officials. This is a really, really, bad look and reflects badly on himself and on the club. He would probably justify it as passion but it's not, it's just moronic.

* Micro-management of the players during games. They are professional footballers. They have played football their whole lives - he doesn't need to kick every ball. If my Boss did this I would grow to dislike him. Perhaps some players already are.

* Blaming everyone but himself for everything that goes wrong. He knows we're a small club (in L1 terms). Sometimes you have to work with what you're given. I get it, the squad isn't great, but get on with the job of improving the players instead.

Don't get me wrong, he's good copy/a good talker and that think that has fooled people into thinking he's some kind of messiah. He's failed at more clubs than he's succeeded at (and of course, he would offer up reasons why none of those were his fault).

Started well at Swindon and didn't really sustain it. I sincerely hope that doesn't play out at Orient, but he needs to do better overall. Behaving like a gent on the touchline, rather than a chav would go some way to moving him (and the club) into a position of garnering more respect, for a start.

Good post. Factual in every sense.

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:47 am

essexfootball wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:22 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:20 am It's weird that you have some people complaining he's too rigid and set in his ways, and others moaning he tinkers too much and makes too many subs.

I think the problem is, we are fans but he himself doesn't the answers right now to this, a lot of the current issues stem from Richie this season not knowing his best 11, best style, best formation, best subs, we look confused and clueless a lot of the time, especially in the final third, when you watch Orient plays once the ball gets to the final third we look clueless with no real idea of what to do and then the ball goes back and back, till a big kick that one of the front three won't win in the air, there isn't a defined playstyle, most other teams you know the wingers will run with the ball or the big striker will hold it, there is no attacking plan

This is right and for us all (or most of us) to see. But this has nothing to do with Richie, it's the recruitment that is the cause of it all.

It's not right, it's a brainfart of a response.

No it's not, it's a very accurate assessment. You just can't face the truth