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It is not true to suggest farmers are now paid less than 0.5% of the budget they received prior to Brexit. As per the Government’s manifesto, the full £2.4 billion per year previously awarded in EU farming subsidies is continuing to go to farmers. 

https://deframedia.blog.gov.uk/2023/02/ ... om-the-eu/

Don't forget, they still get subsisidy from the Government after Brexit.

How much more do these farmers expect?

Cheers Tories

And they get to use red diesel and can claim back more VAT than they actually pay.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:55 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:05 pm
Reality is that on many tenanted farms and small and medium sized farms, they rent the expensive machinery for short periods during ploughing, harvest etc.

From the local big farmer. Who hasn't paid any IHT.

Not always. From specialised leasing companies and sometimes from an agricultural Co-Op

The same Brexit voters crying alligator tears over this presumably have nothing to say about the loss of EU subsidies, loss of sales to our biggest agricultural market (the EU) and the signing of free trade deals that provide an advantage to countries with lower regulations that allow them to undercut British farmers (such as Australia and New Zealand)? All of which are combining to kill British farming anyway.

Almost as if they don't actually give a sh*t.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:15 am

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:29 am
Farmers pay their way especially in hard work. They are the backbone of the country.

I'd rather they just paid their way in taxes like the rest of us, thanks.

They do pay tax like the rest of us. They are not exempt.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:12 pm

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:54 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:27 pm Just what are people so pissed off about? Literally nothing has happened compared to the previous bunch

Must be signed by far right bots/russians

DId you miss the budget? Numerous industries saying it will stifle investment, lead to job losses and lead to rate rises.

Did you ,it’s the Farmers protesting last week?

All because both will have to pay their way and they're not used to it. Of course they're complaining

It is not just about the farmers though, they do pay their way, they cannot avoid or cheat tax. They are taxed on various other things too.

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:53 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:12 pm

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:54 pm

DId you miss the budget? Numerous industries saying it will stifle investment, lead to job losses and lead to rate rises.

Did you ,it’s the Farmers protesting last week?

All because both will have to pay their way and they're not used to it. Of course they're complaining

It is not just about the farmers though, they do pay their way, they cannot avoid or cheat tax. They are taxed on various other things too.

Do they pay more than the £2.3 billion that the tories gave them annually?
That's 20.7 billion since 2015 according to this
https://deframedia.blog.gov.uk/2023/02/ ... om-the-eu/
How much was that billions of £'s missing in the Tory black hole the chancellor mentioned?

Dohnut's gone very quiet all of a sudden

The issue is with the whole supply chain. Farmers are paid peanuts compared to what the big Supermarkets will retail the produce for. Are Tesco's about to go bust - I don't think so.

Then you have the bonkers land prices which inflate a farm's value and into the realm of higher IHT and consider why is this so, only to to realise that Clarkson, Dyson and many, many others, are buying land purely to escape taxes thus hiking up land prices ridiculously by doing so. These "investors" are screwing the farmers much more than the Government are.

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:53 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:12 pm

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 5:54 pm

DId you miss the budget? Numerous industries saying it will stifle investment, lead to job losses and lead to rate rises.

Did you ,it’s the Farmers protesting last week?

All because both will have to pay their way and they're not used to it. Of course they're complaining

It is not just about the farmers though, they do pay their way, they cannot avoid or cheat tax. They are taxed on various other things too.

So much wrong in such a short post. Can we all stop paying tax once weve paid a certain amount? Or choose which taxes we're willing to pay?

This is just closing a tax exemption.

Lets face it, you dont really care about farmers. You're just cheering for your team.

Don't usually quote Marina Hyde, but this is mildly amusing:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ir-starmer

"Finally, an answer to what would happen if Maga had sex with the People’s Vote. I assume we don’t use the phrase “b*stard offspring” any longer, but in this case I’ll be making an exception."

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:01 pm

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:53 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:12 pm

All because both will have to pay their way and they're not used to it. Of course they're complaining

It is not just about the farmers though, they do pay their way, they cannot avoid or cheat tax. They are taxed on various other things too.

So much wrong in such a short post. Can we all stop paying tax once weve paid a certain amount? Or choose which taxes we're willing to pay?

This is just closing a tax exemption.

Lets face it, you dont really care about farmers. You're just cheering for your team.

My team as you put it is a farming family and we are not talking about a multimillion pounds , not even sure they will be affected , all being reviewed by their accountant. This policy probably aimed at ‘wealthy Tories’ but will backfire badly.

I deal with loads of farmers, they actually botheted to read the bill, liked it and is better for 90% of them. Hence demo had lack of farmers. Why the working class support land owners is soooo odd lol

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:49 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:15 am

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:29 am
Farmers pay their way especially in hard work. They are the backbone of the country.

I'd rather they just paid their way in taxes like the rest of us, thanks.

They do pay tax like the rest of us. They are not exempt.

They literally do not pay tax like the rest of us. They have their own special rules.

Such as farmers averaging, agricultural buildings allowance, 100% first year allowances on plant and machinery, IHT exemption, govt hand outs, no duty on fuel and so on. But its monopoly capitalism that's killing them and squeezing their margins.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:38 am

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:49 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:15 am

I'd rather they just paid their way in taxes like the rest of us, thanks.

They do pay tax like the rest of us. They are not exempt.

They literally do not pay tax like the rest of us. They have their own special rules.

The have certain exceptions and allowances due to the complex industry they are in. Farming is a very difficulty industry and has one of the highest suicide rates. Farmers pay other taxes alongside their main farming levies.

Complex industry? it’s the oldest, simplest business there is. All you need is acres and acres of land and away you go.

The reason they receive all these benefits is because the people making the laws are the same people that own all the land. And the little people just can’t see it and come out to argue their case for them. Sad.

Sorry to hear about their suicide rates, I wasn’t aware of that. Mental health issues aren’t really an excuse to get out of paying tax though. Maybe if they did pay their taxes, their would be better social care that they could access?

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:10 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:38 am

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:49 pm

They do pay tax like the rest of us. They are not exempt.

They literally do not pay tax like the rest of us. They have their own special rules.

The have certain exceptions and allowances due to the complex industry they are in. Farming is a very difficulty industry and has one of the highest suicide rates. Farmers pay other taxes alongside their main farming levies.

What "other taxes" do they pay ? Is there some special tax that only farmers pay that I'm unaware of?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:24 am

Yanzi Gravy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2024 5:10 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:38 am

They literally do not pay tax like the rest of us. They have their own special rules.

The have certain exceptions and allowances due to the complex industry they are in. Farming is a very difficulty industry and has one of the highest suicide rates. Farmers pay other taxes alongside their main farming levies.

What "other taxes" do they pay ? Is there some special tax that only farmers pay that I'm unaware of?

Yes. They pay Vee oo-arh Tee.

And Cow-peration Tax too, I guess.

And Capital Grains Tax

Any import d-EWE-ty?

These puns are just too mulch.

By the way suicide rates by occupation are published in great detail, albeit a few years behind.

Managers and proprietors in agriculture related services have a suicide rate about 5 times less than teachers.

Agricultural workers have a much higher rate.

As already pointed out I'm not sure why a higher risk of suicide should be linked to a tax exemption, but I just wanted to point out you're wrong.

Is there any link between in-breeding and mental health issues?