The Budget

[George M]

Shame they didn’t just close the tax loopholes on the trillionaire bankers then we wouldn’t have to raise NI contributions at all

Agreed but , how about not wasting billions on the Ukraine. If we are that desperate for money , why are we borrowing whilst throwing money away on senseless wars .

[BoniO]

Labour are a party of rhetoric, sound bites and promises they don’t keep, that’s politics, they are not alone. Though of late they have taken it to new high levels.

But what we got was typical Labour. Tax and spend. Huge borrowing too. Have we just witnessed a Liz Truss moment or inspirational changes? Time will tell of course. In the meantime plenty will suffer as a consequence. Let’s hope it’s worth the pain.

Who are the “the plenty who will suffer” by the way?

Most will suffer as a result of this budget. The only group that won’t will be civil servants as is usual with most Labour governments. Borrow loads and throw it down the pit of sh*t that is the wasteful public service sector

Well my question was aimed at Dohnut, who hasn’t responded yet, but why will “most suffer”? Raising min wage is going to help a lot of people, no?

[BoniO]

Shame they didn’t just close the tax loopholes on the trillionaire bankers then we wouldn’t have to raise NI contributions at all

Well yeah, they bottled that bit. Interesting quote taken from Tax Justice UK - “The changes mean that those who get their income from wealth will still pay a much lower rate of tax than those who work for their living.”
That could, and should, have been fixed.

[George M]

Who are the “the plenty who will suffer” by the way?

Most will suffer as a result of this budget. The only group that won’t will be civil servants as is usual with most Labour governments. Borrow loads and throw it down the pit of sh*t that is the wasteful public service sector

Well my question was aimed at Dohnut, who hasn’t responded yet, but why will “most suffer”? Raising min wage is going to help a lot of people, no?

Will it though. It’s good that it’s increased but so will prices to cover it. It’s just not that simple is it. I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

[BoniO]

Most will suffer as a result of this budget. The only group that won’t will be civil servants as is usual with most Labour governments. Borrow loads and throw it down the pit of sh*t that is the wasteful public service sector

Well my question was aimed at Dohnut, who hasn’t responded yet, but why will “most suffer”? Raising min wage is going to help a lot of people, no?

Will it though. It’s good that it’s increased but so will prices to cover it. It’s just not that simple is it. I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

I know it’s not simple but I still don’t why you think most will suffer.
Personally, I would have also made much bigger tax demands of the very rich and closed more tax loopholes, whilst increasing the number of bodies in HMRC to work cases. Maybe next time.

[Max B Gold]

Most will suffer as a result of this budget. The only group that won’t will be civil servants as is usual with most Labour governments. Borrow loads and throw it down the pit of sh*t that is the wasteful public service sector

Well my question was aimed at Dohnut, who hasn’t responded yet, but why will “most suffer”? Raising min wage is going to help a lot of people, no?

Will it though. It’s good that it’s increased but so will prices to cover it. It’s just not that simple is it. I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

I've run my details through one of those budget calculators and I will be £2.27 a year better off. All of that extra comes from the reduction in beer duty.

As everyone does I lied to the calculator machine about my beer consumption so I reckon I will literally be £4.54 better off. Happy days.

[Hoover Attack]

Who are the “the plenty who will suffer” by the way?

Most will suffer as a result of this budget. The only group that won’t will be civil servants as is usual with most Labour governments. Borrow loads and throw it down the pit of sh*t that is the wasteful public service sector

Well my question was aimed at Dohnut, who hasn’t responded yet, but why will “most suffer”? Raising min wage is going to help a lot of people, no?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgj72wxw8jxo

[Hoover Attack]

Well my question was aimed at Dohnut, who hasn’t responded yet, but why will “most suffer”? Raising min wage is going to help a lot of people, no?

Will it though. It’s good that it’s increased but so will prices to cover it. It’s just not that simple is it. I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

I've run my details through one of those budget calculators and I will be £2.27 a year better off. All of that extra comes from the reduction in beer duty.

As everyone does I lied to the calculator machine about my beer consumption so I reckon I will literally be £4.54 better off. Happy days.

Dunnem did this and the calculator said ‘ONE AT A TIME PLEASE’

[George M]

Well my question was aimed at Dohnut, who hasn’t responded yet, but why will “most suffer”? Raising min wage is going to help a lot of people, no?

Will it though. It’s good that it’s increased but so will prices to cover it. It’s just not that simple is it. I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

I know it’s not simple but I still don’t why you think most will suffer.
Personally, I would have also made much bigger tax demands of the very rich and closed more tax loopholes, whilst increasing the number of bodies in HMRC to work cases. Maybe next time.

Just my opinion that most will suffer through increasing prices. You can’t tax business more and not expect them to pass it on to the consumer. Coffee , as an example is already £3.50 a cup in London. Increase the barista wages and coffee goes up. That in itself is not awful , but , you get the picture

[Hoover Attack]

You can tell it was a decent enough budget but the selfish righties on here frothing at the mouth

It really wasn’t. They haven’t gone anywhere near hard enough on the wealthiest.

It’ll only be the centrists who are thinking this is alright.

[Hoover Attack]

Will it though. It’s good that it’s increased but so will prices to cover it. It’s just not that simple is it. I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

I know it’s not simple but I still don’t why you think most will suffer.
Personally, I would have also made much bigger tax demands of the very rich and closed more tax loopholes, whilst increasing the number of bodies in HMRC to work cases. Maybe next time.

Just my opinion that most will suffer through increasing prices. You can’t tax business more and not expect them to pass it on to the consumer. Coffee , as an example is already £3.50 a cup in London. Increase the barista wages and coffee goes up. That in itself is not awful , but , you get the picture

You can if they want to carry on in business.

[Bandy Legs]

She kept going on about portacabins as classrooms. I had one as a classroom in the 60’s when Labour were in power. They were warmer and smelt great as new. The kids loved them!

Labour are a party of rhetoric, sound bites and promises they don’t keep, that’s politics, they are not alone. Though of late they have taken it to new high levels.

But what we got was typical Labour. Tax and spend. Huge borrowing too. Have we just witnessed a Liz Truss moment or inspirational changes? Time will tell of course. In the meantime plenty will suffer as a consequence. Let’s hope it’s worth the pain.

Don't be daft, they've not even got a Lettuce yet.
Time will tell

[Bandy Legs]

Most will suffer as a result of this budget. The only group that won’t will be civil servants as is usual with most Labour governments. Borrow loads and throw it down the pit of sh*t that is the wasteful public service sector

I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

So why are you so angry then?

[Bandy Legs]

Will it though. It’s good that it’s increased but so will prices to cover it. It’s just not that simple is it. I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

I know it’s not simple but I still don’t why you think most will suffer.
Personally, I would have also made much bigger tax demands of the very rich and closed more tax loopholes, whilst increasing the number of bodies in HMRC to work cases. Maybe next time.

Just my opinion that most will suffer through increasing prices. You can’t tax business more and not expect them to pass it on to the consumer. Coffee , as an example is already £3.50 a cup in London. Increase the barista wages and coffee goes up. That in itself is not awful , but , you get the picture

If you're paying £3.50 for Coffee you deserved to be taxed

[Bandy Legs]

I've not had time to look into the detail of the budget, but this kind of thing just looks ridiculous.

I mean, a whole f*cking penny! Whoop-de-f*cking-do!

Look after the pennies & the pounds will, oh what'd the end of that famous saying?

Tim Martin looks after drinkers everyday of the year, often with far more than a penny.

Go into most pub chains and it will be hard to identify the penny you save. You have more chance of saving by looking for small change on the floor , most people cannot be bothered to pick up on the way to the pub.

Tim Martin & his nearly expired slops. No Thanks

[George M]

I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

So why are you so angry then?

I am not angry at the budget. It will make no difference to my circumstances.

[George M]

I know it’s not simple but I still don’t why you think most will suffer.
Personally, I would have also made much bigger tax demands of the very rich and closed more tax loopholes, whilst increasing the number of bodies in HMRC to work cases. Maybe next time.

Just my opinion that most will suffer through increasing prices. You can’t tax business more and not expect them to pass it on to the consumer. Coffee , as an example is already £3.50 a cup in London. Increase the barista wages and coffee goes up. That in itself is not awful , but , you get the picture

If you're paying £3.50 for Coffee you deserved to be taxed

Point me in the direction of a cheaper one if you can

[Bandy Legs]

I can’t remember a budget that’s made any meaningful difference to my life. Can you ?

So why are you so angry then?

I am not angry at the budget. It will make no difference to my circumstances.

For someone it makes no difference to, you're making a lot of noise about it.

[RedDwarf 1881]

Shame they didn’t just close the tax loopholes on the trillionaire bankers then we wouldn’t have to raise NI contributions at all

Agreed but , how about not wasting billions on the Ukraine. If we are that desperate for money , why are we borrowing whilst throwing money away on senseless wars .

You could have also added not giving away over £11Billion to other countries for climate change . Also untold £Billions in foreign aid to countries like China who recently sent a lander to the far side of the moon . That was money straight down the toilet without touching the porcelain .

[Bandy Legs]

Just my opinion that most will suffer through increasing prices. You can’t tax business more and not expect them to pass it on to the consumer. Coffee , as an example is already £3.50 a cup in London. Increase the barista wages and coffee goes up. That in itself is not awful , but , you get the picture

If you're paying £3.50 for Coffee you deserved to be taxed

Point me in the direction of a cheaper one if you can

No

[Bandy Legs]

Shame they didn’t just close the tax loopholes on the trillionaire bankers then we wouldn’t have to raise NI contributions at all

Agreed but , how about not wasting billions on the Ukraine. If we are that desperate for money , why are we borrowing whilst throwing money away on senseless wars .

You could have also added not giving away over £11Billion to other countries for climate change . Also untold £Billions in foreign aid to countries like China who recently sent a lander to the far side of the moon . That was money straight down the toilet without touching the porcelain .

Which hasn't happened under this government yet.

Does the UK give China foreign aid?
Aid to China from the UK fell to approximately £48 million in 2021-22 – down from £82 million in 2019 – and it is expected to continue to decline rapidly in future, according to the aid watchdog.13 Jul 2023

All Donated by Tories

[Dohnut]

Labour are a party of rhetoric, sound bites and promises they don’t keep, that’s politics, they are not alone. Though of late they have taken it to new high levels.

But what we got was typical Labour. Tax and spend. Huge borrowing too. Have we just witnessed a Liz Truss moment or inspirational changes? Time will tell of course. In the meantime plenty will suffer as a consequence. Let’s hope it’s worth the pain.

Who are the “the plenty who will suffer” by the way?

Most will suffer as a result of this budget. The only group that won’t will be civil servants as is usual with most Labour governments. Borrow loads and throw it down the pit of sh*t that is the wasteful public service sector

Many will suffer. The idiot’s narrative about the rich etc and 14 years of Tory stuff is a diversion by those trying to avoid this. The more I get into it, the more damaging the potential in this budget. The rich will be fine. It’s a real bummer for the ordinary people. Mortgages, costs, jobs,pay increases, small businesses, farmers. The list just goes on. But hey 1p off a pint, that’s what makes the headlines. Sad.

[Dunners]

If only Labour hadn't taken a £4m bribe

Oh, come on. £4m ain't a bribe. Unless it's the first instalment in a series of payments, £4m isn't worth getting out of bed for.

[Dunners]

Wont anybody think about the poor 60-unit BTL investors? Having to sell their boat?

[Yanzi Gravy]

Look after the pennies & the pounds will, oh what'd the end of that famous saying?

Tim Martin looks after drinkers everyday of the year, often with far more than a penny.

Go into most pub chains and it will be hard to identify the penny you save. You have more chance of saving by looking for small change on the floor , most people cannot be bothered to pick up on the way to the pub.

Tim Martin & his nearly expired slops. No Thanks

You have succumbed to the myth and total lies propagated by competitors. Let me tell you in no uncertain terms, as a CAMRA member too, there is rarely anything wrong with Wetherspoons Ale. CAMRA have awarded the company numerous awards over the years in recognition of their supreme service to the public.

It cannot be ignored that on match days for Leyton Orient and West Ham , the George Wanstead (before it was sold this month) and the Walnut Tree Leytonstone is packed with fans having a few pints and a reasonably priced meal. I would imagine their branch near Mile End is packed too. Stay out of them and cut your nose to spite your face and languish in your myths and hearsay, there will be a spare seat for an appreciative customer.