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Pretty easy to clear things up but you've gone all coy for some reason.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 12:41 pmCeb2..he knows this. He's now pretending that would have been his reaction to my reply, and at the same time siding with you.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:37 pmWell that was easy wasn’t it? Someone able to articulate why they might not want a German in a role. I don’t really get why it would be a problem still but all I was asking was some articulation considering cch was very clear it’s definitely not xenophobia at playCEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm RTW you’re being a wee bit over the top here. I’m not fussed either way about Tuchel, but it’s undeniable that in footballing terms, a lot of England fans have, rightly or wrongly, seen Germany as our biggest rivals. As a result, there’s an initial sense by some that even potential success might be a bit undermined by being directed by someone from our rivals. That would make a German manager a different proposition to a Swede, or even an Italian (even though Italy have been much more of a spoiler team for England in the last 15 years or so)
Best to just let people have their adjustment period to it, and then see how it goes
So why have England fans - wrongly - prescribed Germany as our biggest footballing rivals?CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm but it’s undeniable that in footballing terms, a lot of England fans have, rightly or wrongly, seen Germany as our biggest rivals.
CEB is wrong. Of course it’s xenophobia at play.Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:37 pmWell that was easy wasn’t it? Someone able to articulate why they might not want a German in a role. I don’t really get why it would be a problem still but all I was asking was some articulation considering cch was very clear it’s definitely not xenophobia at playCEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm RTW you’re being a wee bit over the top here. I’m not fussed either way about Tuchel, but it’s undeniable that in footballing terms, a lot of England fans have, rightly or wrongly, seen Germany as our biggest rivals. As a result, there’s an initial sense by some that even potential success might be a bit undermined by being directed by someone from our rivals. That would make a German manager a different proposition to a Swede, or even an Italian (even though Italy have been much more of a spoiler team for England in the last 15 years or so)
Best to just let people have their adjustment period to it, and then see how it goes
Of course they are our biggest rivals. What's the problem with that?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:10 pmSo why have England fans - wrongly - prescribed Germany as our biggest footballing rivals?CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm but it’s undeniable that in footballing terms, a lot of England fans have, rightly or wrongly, seen Germany as our biggest rivals.
Because of a combination of hangover from the geopolitical stuff, the fact that during the time when a lot of people’s formative experiences with football happened Germany broke England hearts repeatedly, and tabloid fuelled jingoism.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:10 pmSo why have England fans - wrongly - prescribed Germany as our biggest footballing rivals?CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm but it’s undeniable that in footballing terms, a lot of England fans have, rightly or wrongly, seen Germany as our biggest rivals.
A rivalry requires both sides to care, and Germany don't give a sh*t about us. It's a pretty anglophile country in general, the dislike for it from certain quarters of English press and supporters seems pretty weird I think.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:37 pmOf course they are our biggest rivals. What's the problem with that?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:10 pmSo why have England fans - wrongly - prescribed Germany as our biggest footballing rivals?CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm but it’s undeniable that in footballing terms, a lot of England fans have, rightly or wrongly, seen Germany as our biggest rivals.
So people don’t want a German as manager because of geopolitical stuff and jingoism, but not xenophobia? Come on mate.CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:43 pmBecause of a combination of hangover from the geopolitical stuff, the fact that during the time when a lot of people’s formative experiences with football happened Germany broke England hearts repeatedly, and tabloid fuelled jingoism.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:10 pmSo why have England fans - wrongly - prescribed Germany as our biggest footballing rivals?CEB2ElectricBoogaloo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:32 pm but it’s undeniable that in footballing terms, a lot of England fans have, rightly or wrongly, seen Germany as our biggest rivals.
I’m not saying that no objections to this are possibly rooted in xenophobia. I’m just saying that it’s a bit much to go all out on “moaning about a German coach? Must be rooted in racism, then”
Argentina do hate us, that much is true. I believe that’s just down to some geopolitical stuff too.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:00 pmA rivalry requires both sides to care, and Germany don't give a sh*t about us. It's a pretty anglophile country in general, the dislike for it from certain quarters of English press and supporters seems pretty weird I think.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:37 pmOf course they are our biggest rivals. What's the problem with that?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:10 pm
So why have England fans - wrongly - prescribed Germany as our biggest footballing rivals?
Argentina is the big one and a much more fun rivalry because they are proper dicks when it comes to football.
'Germany don't give a sh*t about us'? You quite sure about that..Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:00 pmA rivalry requires both sides to care, and Germany don't give a sh*t about us. It's a pretty anglophile country in general, the dislike for it from certain quarters of English press and supporters seems pretty weird I think.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:37 pmOf course they are our biggest rivals. What's the problem with that?Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:10 pm
So why have England fans - wrongly - prescribed Germany as our biggest footballing rivals?
Argentina is the big one and a much more fun rivalry because they are proper dicks when it comes to football.
Yup.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:08 pm'Germany don't give a sh*t about us'? You quite sure about that..Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:00 pmA rivalry requires both sides to care, and Germany don't give a sh*t about us. It's a pretty anglophile country in general, the dislike for it from certain quarters of English press and supporters seems pretty weird I think.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:37 pm
Of course they are our biggest rivals. What's the problem with that?
Argentina is the big one and a much more fun rivalry because they are proper dicks when it comes to football.
It's not about how many times they have beaten us or how much better than us they have been over the years. Its about history whether you like it or not. Almost every country in the world raises their eyebrows and their game when they get pitted against us. The nation that invented the game. Don't kid yourself, the Germans get a special kick out of it when they beat us.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:48 pm Why would they? They have beaten us in almost every single important game they've played us in, apart from 66, and have won 4 world cups and 3 euros to our one world cup. There isn't any cultural rivalry from their perspective. If it is a rivalry, it's pathetically one sided.
Oh, I thought you would find a way to attach that to the discussion.Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:01 pm Some proper Anglo delusion going on here, the Empire's over!
From my observations: no, they dont. They are mostly bemused as to why they are seen by the Brits as the greatest rival.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:35 pmIt's not about how many times they have beaten us or how much better than us they have been over the years. Its about history whether you like it or not. Almost every country in the world raises their eyebrows and their game when they get pitted against us. The nation that invented the game. Don't kid yourself, the Germans get a special kick out of it when they beat us.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:48 pm Why would they? They have beaten us in almost every single important game they've played us in, apart from 66, and have won 4 world cups and 3 euros to our one world cup. There isn't any cultural rivalry from their perspective. If it is a rivalry, it's pathetically one sided.
Think the special kick has probably lost some of its magic given the number of times it's happened. I was at the euros in the summer and the only comments I got were the sort of patronising 'i hope you do well' niceties I would say to a Scotland fan.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:35 pmIt's not about how many times they have beaten us or how much better than us they have been over the years. Its about history whether you like it or not. Almost every country in the world raises their eyebrows and their game when they get pitted against us. The nation that invented the game. Don't kid yourself, the Germans get a special kick out of it when they beat us.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:48 pm Why would they? They have beaten us in almost every single important game they've played us in, apart from 66, and have won 4 world cups and 3 euros to our one world cup. There isn't any cultural rivalry from their perspective. If it is a rivalry, it's pathetically one sided.
