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Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:36 pm**

We were Decent first half and better than Charlton in possession faded and negative second, a lot because Kelman ran himself into the ground by 60 as O'Neil and spurs boy offered nothing to the cause.
They strong at the back, the right back was top drawer, very route one and Mitchell wouldn't get near a wellens side but effective today.
Wellens as a full time professional manager still hasn't mastered subs LOL, all used with 16 plus obviously a lot of added time to go, when kelman could barely move.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:37 pm**

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:35 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:10 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:42 pm Wellens post match will be funny, at least
Why, was he carded or did he get involved in another scuffle?
Verbal at the Ref

The verbals came after he was carded for applauding one of this own full backs

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:40 pm**

CharlieO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:36 pm Wellens as a full time professional manager still hasn't mastered subs LOL, all used with 16 plus obviously a lot of added time to go, when kelman could barely move.

Well tbf he wouldn't have planned on replacing Cooper or James, unfortunately both who came on didn't perform anywhere near the same level as those forced off through injury

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:43 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:40 pm
CharlieO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:36 pm Wellens as a full time professional manager still hasn't mastered subs LOL, all used with 16 plus obviously a lot of added time to go, when kelman could barely move.
Well tbf he wouldn't have planned on replacing Cooper or James, unfortunately both who came on didn't perform anywhere near the same level as those forced off through injury

Again that comes down to the quality of depth of our squad .

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:16 pm**

Richie has said we're after just one more player but wouldn't say for what position . I thought he originally said he wanted another CM so I'm assuming that's who we want .

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:24 pm**

Thought we played alright. But was not surprised by the injury time winner. Kelman looks really strong.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:39 pm**

Kelmans got a tight quad. Not good.

https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2024/ ... -athletic/

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:33 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:16 pm Richie has said we're after just one more player but wouldn't say for what position . I thought he originally said he wanted another CM so I'm assuming that's who we want .

He didn’t sound too happy when he said just one. Maybe I’m just projecting

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:04 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:33 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:16 pm Richie has said we're after just one more player but wouldn't say for what position . I thought he originally said he wanted another CM so I'm assuming that's who we want .
He didn’t sound too happy when he said just one. Maybe I’m just projecting

Maybe we can only afford one and not two if we want the necessary quality .

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:04 pm**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:04 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:33 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:16 pm Richie has said we're after just one more player but wouldn't say for what position . I thought he originally said he wanted another CM so I'm assuming that's who we want .
He didn’t sound too happy when he said just one. Maybe I’m just projecting
Maybe we can only afford one and not two if we want the necessary quality .

Well yeah but I don’t think it sounded like it went down too well with rw

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:47 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:33 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:16 pm Richie has said we're after just one more player but wouldn't say for what position . I thought he originally said he wanted another CM so I'm assuming that's who we want .
He didn’t sound too happy when he said just one. Maybe I’m just projecting

The other day he said two or three and that's been cut back down to just two, when you consider how much of it is made up of youths and youth loans that's not good

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:04 pm**

Sounds like the one coming in is a loan

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:48 pm**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:04 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:04 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:33 pm

He didn’t sound too happy when he said just one. Maybe I’m just projecting
Maybe we can only afford one and not two if we want the necessary quality .
Well yeah but I don’t think it sounded like it went down too well with rw

I've wondered in the past how much better a manager like Richie could do if he had a bigger budget . It''s like his managing with one hand tied behind his back . I just thank God we've got him because he's a quality manager . It's only because we've got him I think we'll eventually be OK this season .

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:55 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:47 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:33 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 4:16 pm Richie has said we're after just one more player but wouldn't say for what position . I thought he originally said he wanted another CM so I'm assuming that's who we want .
He didn’t sound too happy when he said just one. Maybe I’m just projecting
The other day he said two or three and that's been cut back down to just two, when you consider how much of it is made up of youths and youth loans that's not good

What is putting a big hole in our budget is we must still be paying a large chunk of Pigott's wages . Also we have Moncur on a large wedge who's currently not contributing anything . I've heard two reason for that with George having a hip injury or he's bang overweight .

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2024 9:25 pm**

CharlieO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:36 pm We were Decent first half and better than Charlton in possession faded and negative second, a lot because Kelman ran himself into the ground by 60 as O'Neil and spurs boy offered nothing to the cause.

Yeah, that’s fair - we did edge the first half but they were much better than us second half

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:51 am**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:48 pm
Celtient wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:35 pm Wouldn't blame Hemming for that goal though
Vigaroux and Byrne both save that.

A strong right hand could have got to that.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 7:59 am**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:11 pm
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:10 pm
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 2:42 pm Wellens post match will be funny, at least
Why, was he carded or did he get involved in another scuffle?
Another booking to keep up his 100% record so far this season, along with Nathan Jones who is on the same

Well, knock me sideways...! I couldn't get to the game yesterday and my question was a bit tongue in cheek, not really believing that he would in fact get carded yet again ! Wellens is a poor example to our already bad disciplinary side. The bloke needs to grow up.....He is an embarrassment.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:08 am**

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:35 pm
Rubex Kube wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:30 pm
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 3:15 pm

This season is going to be tougher so I hope you're right .
Don't personally see it tougher.
Richie Welles would disagree with you .

Richie followed the boards lead, has to since the "we're going for it statement last January. We will be safely mid table come april.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:20 am**

Poor use of the subs yesterday imo if Galbraith was pulled off against Bolton with a slight pull why play him against Newport? Perkins looks like he didn’t want to get his socks dirty and won’t get stuck in, the other new guy looks more like a bodybuilder, Dan A isn’t a CF imo would be better out wide, Sweeney laid the ball on for the goal because he can’t use his right foot and the tackle he made should have been with his right foot. Beckles is now a liability he has no pace whatsoever,Pratley would have been a better option at CB (just). Donnelly should never had started so now I’m wondering whether if he has a clause in his contract to make sure he starts. To many subs were brought on to quickly so we lost continuity. Desperately need a LB with pace as I think we lack pace throughout the team. If we play like that against Brum we will get tonked

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:31 am**

I thought yesterdays game showed why Happe will never play higher, for the goal and when the guy went into Hemming, Happe needs to be big, strong, bulldoze the attacker and both times he didn't, almost needs more of a nasty streak, he is a big boy and needs to use his size, a dirty CB that late in the game would've just fouled the guy and taken the yellow rather than letting him knock it on

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:35 am**

Happe had a decent game. He didn’t lose much in the air at all. Yes, he’s lost his header for the goal but Aneke is a very big lad. We’ve lost the second ball. Harsh to single Happe out, I don’t think he did much wrong. Many players worse than him yesterday.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:44 am**

DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:35 am Happe had a decent game. He didn’t lose much in the air at all. Yes, he’s lost his header for the goal but Aneke is a very big lad. We’ve lost the second ball. Harsh to single Happe out, I don’t think he did much wrong. Many players worse than him yesterday.

The higher you go, it's the key moments, Happe didn't have a bad game but he lost his key moment that resulted in a loss, I'm not singularly Happe out at all more just the fact why League One is his ceiling whereas in reality, a big, ball playing CB should in theory be looking to play higher

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:47 am**

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:20 am Poor use of the subs yesterday imo if Galbraith was pulled off against Bolton with a slight pull why play him against Newport? Perkins looks like he didn’t want to get his socks dirty and won’t get stuck in, the other new guy looks more like a bodybuilder, Dan A isn’t a CF imo would be better out wide, Sweeney laid the ball on for the goal because he can’t use his right foot and the tackle he made should have been with his right foot. Beckles is now a liability he has no pace whatsoever,Pratley would have been a better option at CB (just). Donnelly should never had started so now I’m wondering whether if he has a clause in his contract to make sure he starts. To many subs were brought on to quickly so we lost continuity. Desperately need a LB with pace as I think we lack pace throughout the team. If we play like that against Brum we will get tonked

So much wrong with this I can’t even be bothered to point it all out.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:51 am**

essexfootball wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:44 am
DrWindy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:35 am Happe had a decent game. He didn’t lose much in the air at all. Yes, he’s lost his header for the goal but Aneke is a very big lad. We’ve lost the second ball. Harsh to single Happe out, I don’t think he did much wrong. Many players worse than him yesterday.
The higher you go, it's the key moments, Happe didn't have a bad game but he lost his key moment that resulted in a loss, I'm not singularly Happe out at all more just the fact why League One is his ceiling whereas in reality, a big, ball playing CB should in theory be looking to play higher

I hear you but even a Premier League centre back will lose a header now and then. It’s still a nothing header twenty five yards out.

Posted: **Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:55 am**

I agree with what people have said about yesterday game but we all know that this season was only going to be very hard teams that came down from the championship orient will find it hard to complete with them all money wise as long as the injuries are not bad I fancy a draw vs Birmingham next week

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