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Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:32 am We've lost Portsmouth, Derby and Oxford - people seem to forget that when they parrot the Investors 'It's much tougher this season' mantra.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:32 am We've lost Portsmouth, Derby and Oxford - people seem to forget that when they parrot the Investors 'It's much tougher this season' mantra.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:42 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:32 am We've lost Portsmouth, Derby and Oxford - people seem to forget that when they parrot the Investors 'It's much tougher this season' mantra.

Perhaps you need to take a good hard look at what we are up against this season, it's much tougher than last year. we may have lost those clubs but they have been replaced by Birmingham City, Huddersfield, Wrexham, Rotherham.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 12:25 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:42 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:32 am We've lost Portsmouth, Derby and Oxford - people seem to forget that when they parrot the Investors 'It's much tougher this season' mantra.

Perhaps you need to take a good hard look at what we are up against this season, it's much tougher than last year. we may have lost those clubs but they have been replaced by Birmingham City, Huddersfield, Wrexham, Rotherham.

So lost the 3 teams with bigger budgets than us that I listed, but gained the 4 teams you have listed.

You're just repeating the Investors expectation managements rhetoric.

Tell Richie he should be aiming for mid-table and see what he says to that....

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 1:11 pm
I think perhaps the owners and RW have more realistic expectations to some of our fans. If we steer clear of serious injury who knows.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:09 am Accepting financial realities and that we massively over spend as it is, it's not the most optimistic note to start a season on. Guess the trajectory of season on season improvement has to end at some point and we've got a good core of young players that Wellens could do a lot with, so it's possible we overachieve again. But the squad will look very thin if it's only a couple of players coming in. We're short at full back, up front, out wide and cause of Moncur physical and financial weight, a no.10 as well.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:59 am

The Reverend wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:24 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:02 am

Your fixation with the “investors” Is weird. Any savings on Pigotts wages will go back into the playing budget, some of which will be held back until the January window. But RW still wants two players before this window closes a winger and a midfield player.

Holding back budget for the January transfer window when the squad is nowhere near deep enough in August is completely mental.

Er it's something we do every season, spend it all up front and then get injuries and you are screwed, We had to spend most of the budget up front last season because of the three injuries to senior pro's we picked up in pre season and we had very little budget left in January.

Squad is plenty good enough for mid table which is where we need to be aiming this season.

DuvB wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:28 pm Remembering that Leicester won the Premier League at odds of 5000/1 not so long ago

Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:21 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:09 am Accepting financial realities and that we massively over spend as it is, it's not the most optimistic note to start a season on. Guess the trajectory of season on season improvement has to end at some point and we've got a good core of young players that Wellens could do a lot with, so it's possible we overachieve again. But the squad will look very thin if it's only a couple of players coming in. We're short at full back, up front, out wide and cause of Moncur physical and financial weight, a no.10 as well.

Clare in for Sweeney so full backs same as last season

banqo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:44 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:32 am We've lost Portsmouth, Derby and Oxford - people seem to forget that when they parrot the Investors 'It's much tougher this season' mantra.

And we've gained Birmingham, Huddersfield, Wrexham, Stockport but lost Fleetwood, Carlisle, Cheltenham and Port Vale. This season will definitely be harder than last.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:23 pm We do look a bit light upfront, but having seen how Wellens sets his sides up over the last 2 and a bit seasons, it's entirely in character and hasn't impeded our progress in that time

gshaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:35 pm

banqo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:44 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:32 am We've lost Portsmouth, Derby and Oxford - people seem to forget that when they parrot the Investors 'It's much tougher this season' mantra.

And we've gained Birmingham, Huddersfield, Wrexham, Stockport but lost Fleetwood, Carlisle, Cheltenham and Port Vale. This season will definitely be harder than last.

Plus no-one starting on minus points either

OyinbO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:23 pm We do look a bit light upfront, but having seen how Wellens sets his sides up over the last 2 and a bit seasons, it's entirely in character and hasn't impeded our progress in that time

Apart from in January when it prevented RW having a proper go at the play-offs when he wanted a striker and got given two youth loanees instead?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:35 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:35 pm

banqo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:44 am

And we've gained Birmingham, Huddersfield, Wrexham, Stockport but lost Fleetwood, Carlisle, Cheltenham and Port Vale. This season will definitely be harder than last.

Plus no-one starting on minus points either

OyinbO wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:23 pm We do look a bit light upfront, but having seen how Wellens sets his sides up over the last 2 and a bit seasons, it's entirely in character and hasn't impeded our progress in that time

Apart from in January when it prevented RW having a proper go at the play-offs when he wanted a striker and got given two youth loanees instead?

It's looking like we're going to start the new season with a strike force of Agyei , Kelman and Perkins . What could possibly go wrong .

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:46 am if we get in the play offs or higher, then that will be a massive achievement !.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:46 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:35 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:35 pm

Plus no-one starting on minus points either



Apart from in January when it prevented RW having a proper go at the play-offs when he wanted a striker and got given two youth loanees instead?

It's looking like we're going to start the new season with a strike force of Agyei , Kelman and Perkins . What could possibly go wrong .

As often with Leyton Orient, supporters must temper their expectations with cold reality. This Club runs on a tight budget yet still supposedly loses around 2 or 3 million pounds a year, so we have to get the best players we can on a smaller budget compared to the clubs in this division who have a lot more to spend on players and wages than we do, so its a case of ''Moneys too tight to mention'' Be grateful for the fact that we have a manager who makes the best use of the players that he has at his disposal and for this season, if we get in the play offs or higher, then that will be a massive achievement !.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:42 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:46 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:35 am

It's looking like we're going to start the new season with a strike force of Agyei , Kelman and Perkins . What could possibly go wrong .

As often with Leyton Orient, supporters must temper their expectations with cold reality. This Club runs on a tight budget yet still supposedly loses around 2 or 3 million pounds a year, so we have to get the best players we can on a smaller budget compared to the clubs in this division who have a lot more to spend on players and wages than we do, so its a case of ''Moneys too tight to mention'' Be grateful for the fact that we have a manager who makes the best use of the players that he has at his disposal and for this season, if we get in the play offs or higher, then that will be a massive achievement !.

My expectations at Orient has never been high and the cold reality is I think we're going to be fighting against relegation this season . Our squad is still too weak . We are three first choice players short . A left back , central midfielder and a striker

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:18 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:42 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:46 am

As often with Leyton Orient, supporters must temper their expectations with cold reality. This Club runs on a tight budget yet still supposedly loses around 2 or 3 million pounds a year, so we have to get the best players we can on a smaller budget compared to the clubs in this division who have a lot more to spend on players and wages than we do, so its a case of ''Moneys too tight to mention'' Be grateful for the fact that we have a manager who makes the best use of the players that he has at his disposal and for this season, if we get in the play offs or higher, then that will be a massive achievement !.

My expectations at Orient has never been high and the cold reality is I think we're going to be fighting against relegation this season . Our squad is still too weak . We are three first choice players short . A left back , central midfielder and a striker

Let us hope for some pleasant surprises, sometimes squad unity can bring surprises, its not always the teams with the best players on paper, who get the best results !! Look at the surprises you often get in the FA Cup !!

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:42 pm Our squad is still too weak . We are three first choice players short . A left back , central midfielder and a striker