Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:06 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:54 pm People have lost their minds if they think 500k for Orient isn’t a very decent amount.

We’re talking about a player who has had a season in league two and was decent for just over half a season in league one. It’s natural to overvalue your own assets.

If orient bought a player for half a mil with the same cv you’d think king had gone mad

£500 k for a 20 year old current international…..nah. Good job your not on the board

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:13 pm You say he was a liability, Peterborough thought differently !

We had him in as a first choice starter where he was making one mistake after another.
Peterborough brought him in as a project to develop slowly as they have the squad depth to allow that.

That's the difference, he wasn't ready for what we needed hence why our midfield was absolutely useless under KJ. Remember the futility of starting Kyprianou, Young and Coleman / Brown? What player he ended up 2 years down the line doesn't matter, was more important we had players to win L2 promotion when we did.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:20 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:06 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:54 pm People have lost their minds if they think 500k for Orient isn’t a very decent amount.

We’re talking about a player who has had a season in league two and was decent for just over half a season in league one. It’s natural to overvalue your own assets.

If orient bought a player for half a mil with the same cv you’d think king had gone mad

£500 k for a 20 year old current international…..nah. Good job your not on the board

Good job your not - he's 23.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:21 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:20 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 2:06 pm

£500 k for a 20 year old current international…..nah. Good job your not on the board

Good job your not - he's 23.

20/23 a little pedantic ,it doesn’t matter he’s still a current International all be it N Ireland

Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:23 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:21 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:20 am
Good job your not - he's 23.

20/23 a little pedantic ,it doesn’t matter he’s still a current International all be it N Ireland

1 cap v Andorra. Trailblazing

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:25 am

Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:23 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:21 am

20/23 a little pedantic ,it doesn’t matter he’s still a current International all be it N Ireland

1 cap v Andorra. Trailblazing

Ok you win if it’s makes you happy got better things to do today than argue with you, another keyboard warrior

Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:27 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:25 am

Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:23 am

1 cap v Andorra. Trailblazing

Ok you win if it’s makes you happy got better things to do today than argue with you, another keyboard warrior

Keyboard warrior much like yourself, only your opinion matters & you don't listen or take notice of what other people have to say.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:13 pm You say he was a liability, Peterborough thought differently !

We had him in as a first choice starter where he was making one mistake after another.
Peterborough brought him in as a project to develop slowly as they have the squad depth to allow that.

That's the difference, he wasn't ready for what we needed hence why our midfield was absolutely useless under KJ. Remember the futility of starting Kyprianou, Young and Coleman / Brown? What player he ended up 2 years down the line doesn't matter, was more important we had players to win L2 promotion when we did.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:18 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:13 pm You say he was a liability, Peterborough thought differently !

We had him in as a first choice starter where he was making one mistake after another.
Peterborough brought him in as a project to develop slowly as they have the squad depth to allow that.

That's the difference, he wasn't ready for what we needed hence why our midfield was absolutely useless under KJ. Remember the futility of starting Kyprianou, Young and Coleman / Brown? What player he ended up 2 years down the line doesn't matter, was more important we had players to win L2 promotion when we did.

Seems like you think that Leyton Orient cannot afford to waste the time and money on bringing our young players into the first team and thus aiding their development, eg such as in the case of Hector. Perhaps you would prefer to scrap the youth team altogether and instead use the money spent to bring in players who are already the finished article while also making use of the cheap option of loan players ?

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:18 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:13 pm You say he was a liability, Peterborough thought differently !

We had him in as a first choice starter where he was making one mistake after another.
Peterborough brought him in as a project to develop slowly as they have the squad depth to allow that.

That's the difference, he wasn't ready for what we needed hence why our midfield was absolutely useless under KJ. Remember the futility of starting Kyprianou, Young and Coleman / Brown? What player he ended up 2 years down the line doesn't matter, was more important we had players to win L2 promotion when we did.

Seems like you think that Leyton Orient cannot afford to waste the time and money on bringing our young players into the first team and thus aiding their development, eg such as in the case of Hector. Perhaps you would prefer to scrap the youth team altogether and instead use the money spent to bring in players who are already the finished article while also making use of the cheap option of loan players ?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:47 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:18 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 pm

We had him in as a first choice starter where he was making one mistake after another.
Peterborough brought him in as a project to develop slowly as they have the squad depth to allow that.

That's the difference, he wasn't ready for what we needed hence why our midfield was absolutely useless under KJ. Remember the futility of starting Kyprianou, Young and Coleman / Brown? What player he ended up 2 years down the line doesn't matter, was more important we had players to win L2 promotion when we did.

Seems like you think that Leyton Orient cannot afford to waste the time and money on bringing our young players into the first team and thus aiding their development, eg such as in the case of Hector. Perhaps you would prefer to scrap the youth team altogether and instead use the money spent to bring in players who are already the finished article while also making use of the cheap option of loan players ?

Gshaw is only explaining what happened with Hector.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:23 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:18 am

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 8:23 pm

We had him in as a first choice starter where he was making one mistake after another.
Peterborough brought him in as a project to develop slowly as they have the squad depth to allow that.

That's the difference, he wasn't ready for what we needed hence why our midfield was absolutely useless under KJ. Remember the futility of starting Kyprianou, Young and Coleman / Brown? What player he ended up 2 years down the line doesn't matter, was more important we had players to win L2 promotion when we did.

Seems like you think that Leyton Orient cannot afford to waste the time and money on bringing our young players into the first team and thus aiding their development, eg such as in the case of Hector. Perhaps you would prefer to scrap the youth team altogether and instead use the money spent to bring in players who are already the finished article while also making use of the cheap option of loan players ?

Exactly that, would dump the academy tomorrow and get more of the 21+ players like what we're doing with Galbraith, O'Neill etc who are first team ready with potential to improve further.

Lifelongfan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:37 pm Mighty Newsman mkes stuff up . Ignore him. Big wind up merchant

Leyton53 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:33 pm This is a totally fabricated story. No truth in it at all.

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:07 am

Brigs wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:27 am

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:25 am

Ok you win if it’s makes you happy got better things to do today than argue with you, another keyboard warrior

Keyboard warrior much like yourself, only your opinion matters & you don't listen or take notice of what other people have to say.

Noticed you only joined a month or two ago so is this your alias. So who are you really this time Tuffers Joe???

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:59 pm Sometimes I think we forget where we are in the scheme of things. We probably were "little" Leyton Orient but having (a) been promoted and (b) proven ourselves in developing players our general stature has gone up significantly. We want to be like Peterborough - but so does every other club who have seen them hold out for good prices. However they are quite unique in this respect and its almost certainly because McAntony has huge cohonas. He plays hard ball with players, agents and other clubs. He's firm but is equally handed. If we want to emulate them then we have to start offering new contracts to aspiring players now and be prepared to put them up for sale if they don't sign. Its not such an easy thing to do at most clubs - far easier said than done. If clubs let it drift, there is then a power shift to the player. To break the cycle this club must make a stand - but it could start with putting one of our most valuable assets up for sale. BTW this policy applies to Dan Agyei too - as he's in the last year of his deal. Sign or sell...

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:43 pm

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:59 pm Sometimes I think we forget where we are in the scheme of things. We probably were "little" Leyton Orient but having (a) been promoted and (b) proven ourselves in developing players our general stature has gone up significantly. We want to be like Peterborough - but so does every other club who have seen them hold out for good prices. However they are quite unique in this respect and its almost certainly because McAntony has huge cohonas. He plays hard ball with players, agents and other clubs. He's firm but is equally handed. If we want to emulate them then we have to start offering new contracts to aspiring players now and be prepared to put them up for sale if they don't sign. Its not such an easy thing to do at most clubs - far easier said than done. If clubs let it drift, there is then a power shift to the player. To break the cycle this club must make a stand - but it could start with putting one of our most valuable assets up for sale. BTW this policy applies to Dan Agyei too - as he's in the last year of his deal. Sign or sell...

Peterborough tend to pay fairly substantial transfer fees for the best in the leagues below them too, something we have never really done in the past, certainly not to any great success.