DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:28 pm
It’s very difficult to say.
No, it’s quite easy. If everybody (including those with money and power) had to use the NHS, far more money and resources would be allocated to it, no question.
DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:28 pm However if you suddenly take all the people who have either medical insurance or self pay and then drop them into the NHS system? I think an already struggling NHS would be atrocious.
Yes, you’re right. It would take a while to sufficiently expand its capacity — it’s already massively overstretched — but the cash (including, most notably, the profit) from the private healthcare industry could be used to make the standard of care better for everyone.
Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:33 pm
....But (say) if someone chooses to have private health treatment one year (say) at a cost of 2 grand, instead of a holiday, I don’t see it’s up to me or anyone else to tell them they shouldn’t spend their money that way, any more than I should tell them they can’t go on holiday.
The counter argument to this has already been made above.
EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:33 pm
...I have never understood why controlling immigration is often seen as automatically right wing.
It isn't, although I appreciate that many adopt a reflex response to the issue along perceived tribal lines.
But it's worth pointing out that, aside from those arriving by dingy at Dover (which is a fraction of total net migration), migration levels in the UK are not uncontrolled. They are a deliberate consequence of policy and trade agreements arising post-Brexit. This is exactly what Brexit was always about.
I'm not saying that this applies to you, but anyone who voted for Brexit on the basis that it would result in reduced immigration levels has been taken for a mug.
DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:28 pm
It’s very difficult to say.
No, it’s quite easy. If everybody (including those with money and power) had to use the NHS, far more money and resources would be allocated to it, no question.
DrWindy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:28 pm However if you suddenly take all the people who have either medical insurance or self pay and then drop them into the NHS system? I think an already struggling NHS would be atrocious.
Yes, you’re right. It would take a while to sufficiently expand its capacity — it’s already massively overstretched — but the cash (including, most notably, the profit) from the private healthcare industry could be used to make the standard of care better for everyone.
Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?
This. The services are already being provided.
Re: Farage - whose side is he on?
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:46 pm
by DrWindy
I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…
You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.
Think it through.
If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.
If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.
Re: Farage - whose side is he on?
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:06 pm
by Max B Gold
DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:46 pm
I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…
You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.
Think it through.
If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.
If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.
DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:46 pm
I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…
You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.
Think it through.
If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.
If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.
No just the billionaires.
Why would they pay for it? That is not how the UK tax system works. This is why your argument is flawed. Perhaps Dr Windy is a doctor.
Re: Farage - whose side is he on?
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:15 pm
by Max B Gold
Yeah you're right. Bad idea. Just forget I said it Doc.
Re: Farage - whose side is he on?
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:47 pm
by oxo
DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:46 pm
I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…
You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.
Think it through.
If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.
If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.
I've thought it through, cheers. I want the very rich to pay that extra tax. If they can afford to pay £2000 a day every time they need to see a doctor, they've got more than enough money. If their employer can afford to pay huge sums to BUPA, their employer can afford to pay more tax, too.
Millionaire trader (and Leyton Orient fan) Gary Stevenson has an interesting youtube channel where he talks about how he and other very rich people should be paying more tax.
DrWindy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:46 pm
I said to myself I wouldn’t comment anymore but…
You are missing one important point. I have suggested earlier it’s a funding issue not a resource issue.
Think it through.
If you have a consultant earning 2 grand a day seeing private patients then these people are paying for their own care, receiving no tax advantage and also not on the NHS waiting list.
If you make them use the NHS then who pays the 2000 pounds? The taxpayer does. Do you want everyone paying that extra tax to fund that service.
I've thought it through, cheers. I want the very rich to pay that extra tax. If they can afford to pay £2000 a day every time they need to see a doctor, they've got more than enough money. If their employer can afford to pay huge sums to BUPA, their employer can afford to pay more tax, too.
Millionaire trader (and Leyton Orient fan) Gary Stevenson has an interesting youtube channel where he talks about how he and other very rich people should be paying more tax.
I didn't know you were an Orient fan, Garry.
Re: Farage - whose side is he on?
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:55 pm
by oxo
Adz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:05 pm
Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?
No idea what the total number of beds across public and private is, but if government ministers and their families had to wait 9 months for surgery I'm confident that the capacity would increase dramatically.
Adz wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:05 pm
Surely there's sufficient capacity in the combination of the 2?
No idea what the total number of beds across public and private is, but if government ministers and their families had to wait 9 months for surgery I'm confident that the capacity would increase dramatically.
Good thing rich people going abroad for medical treatment isn’t an option that anybody has ever taken
Re: Farage - whose side is he on?
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:52 pm
by oxo
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:04 pm
Now that we know Gary's on here, we can hit him up for some trading tips.
CEB always says to buy Lego, sounds like better advice than gambling, ‘professionally’ or otherwise. (Where is he by the way?)
Re: Farage - whose side is he on?
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 2:53 pm
by oxo
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:59 pm
Not quite the point I was making but thanks for stating the obvious.