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Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:13 pm It's quite clear your agenda is to show NATO in the worst possible light - to the point of the ridiculous. I wouldn't have thought they are perfect by any stretch. But you make it sound like they just shrugged their shoulders and let the massacre of civilians take place. The Balkan war was a tragedy and a very complex situation to resolve, but you know this. You then flippantly inferred that whilst all this was going on they go bomb the women and children in Belgrade. But to sensationalize your point, which your fond of doing, you didn't just say ' bomb Belgrade', you said 'bomb the women and children in Belgrade'. All this distortion and exaggeration because of you hatred for Nato. Actually your description of events are more than ridiculous they are just plain silly.

But, but NATO is a defensive organisation so is it not a bit ridiculous they have carried out offensive attacks and indiscriminate bombing in Belgrade, Iraq and Libya?

I'm not sensationalising my point. Indiscriminate bombing of urban areas kills innocent men, women and children. Whether you think that is sensational or not is completely irrelevant.

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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:00 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:13 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:37 pm

Did they avoid bombing the women and children then?

Yes. But unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances, the buildings that they did bomb then collapsed on top of the women and children who happened to be inside. An enquiry is needed to determine the link between the two events but, until then, I'd suggest we avoid any speculation.

Does the fact that Belgrade was bombed 78 days in a row help with your enquiries at all?

Too soon to tell. Let's not jump to any conclusions.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:04 pm

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:13 pm It's quite clear your agenda is to show NATO in the worst possible light - to the point of the ridiculous. I wouldn't have thought they are perfect by any stretch. But you make it sound like they just shrugged their shoulders and let the massacre of civilians take place. The Balkan war was a tragedy and a very complex situation to resolve, but you know this. You then flippantly inferred that whilst all this was going on they go bomb the women and children in Belgrade. But to sensationalize your point, which your fond of doing, you didn't just say ' bomb Belgrade', you said 'bomb the women and children in Belgrade'. All this distortion and exaggeration because of you hatred for Nato. Actually your description of events are more than ridiculous they are just plain silly.

But, but NATO is a defensive organisation so is it not a bit ridiculous they have carried out offensive attacks and indiscriminate bombing in Belgrade, Iraq and Libya?

I'm not sensationalising my point. Indiscriminate bombing of urban areas kills innocent men, women and children. Whether you think that is sensational or not is completely irrelevant.

But you put your argument across in specific terms: " NATO were otherwise involved bombing Women and children in Belgrade". Bombed Belgrade, yes, but they didn't go there for the sole purpose of bombing / killing Women and children.
One things for sure, you would make a very good minister of propaganda..

Seems that the only thing more predictable than left wingers falling out with each other is right wingers falling out.

Rupert Lowe criticises Farage's leadership and is immediately suspended by the company for bullying.

This cannot be a real person, surely.

Say someone refer to him as a "legend of Guess Who?" and I can't unsee it.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 11:48 am This cannot be a real person, surely.

Word is his brother in law, Chien De Vagevisage, is looking to win the Reform nomination for the adjoining division of Whitesownley & Deportum

If you didn't vote in 2024, how bad do things have to get for you to ever bother voting?

Oh man, that new slogan....

Well Labour promised to smash the gangs and so far all they’ve managed to smash are our pensioners .

But Starmer has become a world leader, or so he likes think, what a dickhead.

Then there's Farage, the smiling assassin.

Vetting's going as well as you'd expect

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2xey4m2ygo

"Mr Hartley said he thought it was "fair enough" that Reform UK had suspended him over the posts."

No, he's doing it all wrong! Double down, mate. Double down.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:55 am Oh man, that new slogan....

The replies to that, looks like people have turned on him.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 7:17 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:55 am Oh man, that new slogan....

The replies to that, looks like people have turned on him.

Turning the racism dial up to 11 and then standing back shocked as the crowd all cry "louder, louder!".

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 04, 2025 7:17 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Mar 29, 2025 8:55 am Oh man, that new slogan....

The replies to that, looks like people have turned on him.

Farage, and his private company masquerading as a political party, is a politician for hire. In UKIP, he effectively tapped in to public unease with the way the political establishment had implemented mass immigration policies, without proper mandate, as an economic measure to satisfy corporate and private capital interests. And without any care or consideration of the impact it would have on society. He did this because it was a means to an end in delivering outcomes his paymasters desired (namely, Brexit).

He never really cared about reducing immigration. His paymasters wanted to increase immigration. They just wanted to replace regulated EU migrants with cheaper and more exploitable migrants from the developing world. And this is exactly what has come to pass, especially with the so-called "Boriswave."

Recently, his paymasters appear to have changed, and this has coincided with a change in rhetoric from Farage. He's hardly mentioning immigration anymore but is trying to use the topic of Net Zero as his replacement political device. Any Reform subscribers or MPs that have not read this memo are being given the boot.

The problem for him is that, while there is plenty of cynicism of Net Zero, it is just not as intrinsically unpopular and opposed by a large-enough swathe of voters as immigration. And his switch is revealing him as the grifter that he is to more and more people. Hence why we are now witnessing the hard/radical right turn on him (the far right had always had him sussed).

OK for me, but not for thee latest:

Home working apparently not so bad for productivity after all!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... gel-farage