Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:15 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:11 am

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:49 am Yeah - I think the club should be more transparent in its dealings with fans- would it hurt them to state that Wellens is in discussions with another club, if that is the case? We can read that he is favourite for the post on betting forums. If he does go, he goes - no need to exacerbate the situation by refusing to communicate with fans.

Or have I got it wrong?

Imagine if the club had to put out a statement every time a complete half arsed rumour kicked off. It'd be ridiculous. This is partly of their own making by releasing an interview implying the manager might be off, but there hasn't been a single credible person making the link to Barnsley.

Not sure you can call it a half arsed rumour when he is 1-4 on to get the job now. In betting terms that’s a done deal. Hope it don’t happen of course.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:24 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:18 am

BiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:14 am
No matter what the club say, it won’t be enough for a lot of the fans. There’s a weird inferiority complex.

The club are the ones that bang on about how transparent they are, not us.

If there was nothing up - if Richie was ill, had a prior engagement or whatever and couldn't attend the end of season awards do, it would have been mentioned on the night.

There is clearly something up. I'm not expecting the club to give an announcement at this time whilst they're dealing with the situation.

Relentless.

It can be both true that something is up and that there's also nothing to this Barnsley link.

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:39 am 1: the odds don’t matter. The market is almost entirely made up of people on message boards either insuring against something they don’t want to happen or chancing their arm on a rumour about which they know as much as we do

2: Richie not being present at things doesn’t hint that he’s off. The club not being casually open about why hints that something is off

3: the club shouldn’t be expected to make statements about everything people get antsy about, but the current pattern of events combined with radio silence from the club is exactly in keeping with a reasonable policy of “we won’t say anything official until there’s something official to say”

4: three becomes more pertinent when you consider that we’re the club to issue any reassurances about the manager that they couldn’t keep, it would go down very badly with fans who renewed season tickets after a reassurance, who were then less than impressed with the replacement

5: the season is over. Have a little break. In a week you can start moaning about how late we’re leaving transfer activity again

Omygawd wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:19 am Managers come and go as do players. Unlike some of the bed setters on here I don’t have RW down as a Messiah, if he goes he can be replaced. If he stays I hope he is focussed as we have real potential in the squad at present.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:23 am Under current ownership, we've improved our league position every single season aside from one. Seems to be an idea amongst some that this success has been despite them and that they were somehow 'forced' into making good appointments against their judgment, which is obviously bollox.

We have the core of a good squad emerging with some excellent young players. There's a few positions we need to sort out but even if Wellens went, there's a lot of positives to work with.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:23 am Under current ownership, we've improved our league position every single season aside from one. Seems to be an idea amongst some that this success has been despite them and that they were somehow 'forced' into making good appointments against their judgment, which is obviously bollox.

We have the core of a good squad emerging with some excellent young players. There's a few positions we need to sort out but even if Wellens went, there's a lot of positives to work with.

Omygawd wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:19 am Managers come and go as do players. Unlike some of the bed wetters on here I don’t have RW down as a Messiah, if he goes he can be replaced. If he stays I hope he is focussed as we have real potential in the squad at present.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:46 am

Omygawd wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:19 am Managers come and go as do players. Unlike some of the bed wetters on here I don’t have RW down as a Messiah, if he goes he can be replaced. If he stays I hope he is focussed as we have real potential in the squad at present.

He won't be replace by anyone as good. How much worse they are then him is my concern.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:45 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:23 am Under current ownership, we've improved our league position every single season aside from one. Seems to be an idea amongst some that this success has been despite them and that they were somehow 'forced' into making good appointments against their judgment, which is obviously bollox.

We have the core of a good squad emerging with some excellent young players. There's a few positions we need to sort out but even if Wellens went, there's a lot of positives to work with.

We have made 2 good appointments for the main job - Justin then Richie. We have made countless duff appointments for the main job. It's not that we've made steady, continual progress over the 7 year window. We have made huge leaps under the decent appointments, the rest of the time we've stood still, despite the heavy investment.

There's no way we're going to appoint a better replacement than Richie, I accept that. My concern is Lingy makes one of his usual duff appointments.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:52 am "Duff appointments" that improved our league position year on year?

JimbO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:55 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:46 am

Omygawd wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:19 am Managers come and go as do players. Unlike some of the bed wetters on here I don’t have RW down as a Messiah, if he goes he can be replaced. If he stays I hope he is focussed as we have real potential in the squad at present.

He won't be replace by anyone as good. How much worse they are then him is my concern.

Not sure how anyone can say that for certain nobody knows who a new manager would be if one is incoming. You'd also have thought that the calibre of manager applying would be a bit higher as it's not the usual circumstances of appointment where you're in fear of relegation.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:01 pm By the way some of you are talking you want him to go . Are you mad ? Richie is one of the best managers we’ve ever had.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:02 pm

JimbO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:55 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:46 am

He won't be replace by anyone as good. How much worse they are then him is my concern.

Not sure how anyone can say that for certain nobody knows who a new manager would be if one is incoming. You'd also have thought that the calibre of manager applying would be a bit higher as it's not the usual circumstances of appointment where you're in fear of relegation.

Valid point that we should be able to attract better. But there's still the elephant sized problem in the room. Not many high calibre managers will want to work under a Dof like Ling.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:11 pm Derby, Portsmouth and Bolton all have a dof or equivalent in place. As do Barnsley, which I hope Wellens can make his peace with.