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Maybe you are making this assumption that 'a fair few' people want Wellens removed because they don't sing his praises as high as you do..Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:33 amThe grass is not always greener here - remember, there were a fair few people wanting him removed when we had that dodgy spell late last year.
If only the investors could also get behind Richie and give him the budget he needs to sign the quality of player he wants.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:42 pm We seem to get a thread like this every now and again and it’s irritating . Richie will leave in the end because no manager stays at any club forever but hopefully it isn’t for a very long time. For the near future, no , I don’t think Richie will leave . Richie is happy at the club and he knows we love him here . Just get behind the man and start looking forward to next season
Only time will tell on that one but hopefully they will. From what I read the budget has already been agreed for next season so we’ll see what happens.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:58 pmIf only the investors could also get behind Richie and give him the budget he needs to sign the quality of player he wants.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:42 pm We seem to get a thread like this every now and again and it’s irritating . Richie will leave in the end because no manager stays at any club forever but hopefully it isn’t for a very long time. For the near future, no , I don’t think Richie will leave . Richie is happy at the club and he knows we love him here . Just get behind the man and start looking forward to next season
No assumptions. I'm just repeating what the mood was like last November/December. There were some people who thought he should go.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:45 pmMaybe you are making this assumption that 'a fair few' people want Wellens removed because they don't sing his praises as high as you do..Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:33 amThe grass is not always greener here - remember, there were a fair few people wanting him removed when we had that dodgy spell late last year.
Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:21 amYes, I think he's overrated, not so much as to where he's taken us but his brand of football which seems to lack fresh ideas. Many performances this season have been below par, quite boring at times and frustrating. We badly lack a goal threat in many games and never look like scoring. The contribution from midfield is virtually non existent which doesn't help either. (We have fired about 17 blanks this season) The manager is responsible for some of our dire performances as well as the players.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:59 pmHe’s the best manager we’ve had in my 40+ years.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:27 pm I wouldn't particularly want Wellens to go chiefly because I wouldn't really know who to replace him. I think he is overrated though.
I’m not sure what people expect someone to achieve in a little over 2 years.
Yes, you have the opinion that he is our best manager in 40 years and I have the opinion that he's somewhat overrated- especially on this board, anyway.
Absolutely disagree.Stowaway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:55 pmChief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:21 amYes, I think he's overrated, not so much as to where he's taken us but his brand of football which seems to lack fresh ideas. Many performances this season have been below par, quite boring at times and frustrating. We badly lack a goal threat in many games and never look like scoring. The contribution from midfield is virtually non existent which doesn't help either. (We have fired about 17 blanks this season) The manager is responsible for some of our dire performances as well as the players.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:59 pm
He’s the best manager we’ve had in my 40+ years.
I’m not sure what people expect someone to achieve in a little over 2 years.
Yes, you have the opinion that he is our best manager in 40 years and I have the opinion that he's somewhat overrated- especially on this board, anyway.
This. The football we’ve played has been successful enough but it’s not exactly great to watch. It’s always quite cautious and the lack of goals means we’re always vulnerable to defeat. The football we played under Slade and Edinburgh was better imho.
Yet there was time people on here wanted Slade to go . Quotes like Russell has never had a promotion on his CV etc . People forget we’ve had major injury problems this season which has curtailed the way we’ve played. Incidentally, I’ve noticed Paul Smyth has gone through the whole season at QPR with only one slight niggle that kept him out for a game or two. Yet when he was with us he seemed to get injured quite a lot . Is it really all just down to luck .?Stowaway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:55 pmChief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:21 amYes, I think he's overrated, not so much as to where he's taken us but his brand of football which seems to lack fresh ideas. Many performances this season have been below par, quite boring at times and frustrating. We badly lack a goal threat in many games and never look like scoring. The contribution from midfield is virtually non existent which doesn't help either. (We have fired about 17 blanks this season) The manager is responsible for some of our dire performances as well as the players.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:59 pm
He’s the best manager we’ve had in my 40+ years.
I’m not sure what people expect someone to achieve in a little over 2 years.
Yes, you have the opinion that he is our best manager in 40 years and I have the opinion that he's somewhat overrated- especially on this board, anyway.
This. The football we’ve played has been successful enough but it’s not exactly great to watch. It’s always quite cautious and the lack of goals means we’re always vulnerable to defeat. The football we played under Slade and Edinburgh was better imho.
OK, from a fair few to some...Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:45 pmNo assumptions. I'm just repeating what the mood was like last November/December. There were some people who thought he should go.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:45 pmMaybe you are making this assumption that 'a fair few' people want Wellens removed because they don't sing his praises as high as you do..Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:33 am
The grass is not always greener here - remember, there were a fair few people wanting him removed when we had that dodgy spell late last year.
Absolute madness, as I said at the time.
Yet there were times when people on here wanted Slade to go . Quotes like Russell has never had a promotion on his CV etc . People forget we’ve had major injury problems this season which has curtailed the way we’ve played. Incidentally, I’ve noticed Paul Smyth has gone through the whole season at QPR with only one slight niggle that kept him out for a game or two. Yet when he was with us he seemed to get injured quite a lot . Is it really just all down to luck .?Stowaway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:55 pmChief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:21 amYes, I think he's overrated, not so much as to where he's taken us but his brand of football which seems to lack fresh ideas. Many performances this season have been below par, quite boring at times and frustrating. We badly lack a goal threat in many games and never look like scoring. The contribution from midfield is virtually non existent which doesn't help either. (We have fired about 17 blanks this season) The manager is responsible for some of our dire performances as well as the players.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 4:59 pm
He’s the best manager we’ve had in my 40+ years.
I’m not sure what people expect someone to achieve in a little over 2 years.
Yes, you have the opinion that he is our best manager in 40 years and I have the opinion that he's somewhat overrated- especially on this board, anyway.
This. The football we’ve played has been successful enough but it’s not exactly great to watch. It’s always quite cautious and the lack of goals means we’re always vulnerable to defeat. The football we played under Slade and Edinburgh was better imho.
I agree. They wont have been impressed by Wigan away, Exeter home, Twice v Fleetwood, Derby away, Barnsley away. Great for us but not ready for the Championship yetEliotNes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:51 pm On that performance, what Chairman of a club would want him. He can't keep blaming the players, he sets them up to play like way.
At least 6 times today we were in an attacking position just outside the Fleetwood box and 10-ish seconds and 6 backward passes later it's back with Brynn. Oh well, time to enjoy the late spring and summer.
Totally agree, a ten year plan maybe what’s needed to identify and build a new stadium but is understandably totally unacceptable to get promoted. Bearing in mind how far we got with a lot of injuries and players like Piggot and the two PL loanies that are nowhere the quality and standard needed, RW must be given the funds needed to bring in quality players that he chooses to get promoted next season, no ifs no buts.Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:44 am There comes a point where you have to ask if the owner’s ambition is the same as Wellens? Theoretically they are,however they have a ten year plan and that’s to find a new ground to accommodate more supporters. You have to ask the question will Wellens want to wait ten years for that to come to fruition. His stock is high at the moment and if he’s not given the backing (remembering the last window debacle) and is offered a bigger club,it’s a no brainier. Do I want him to go?of course not but he’s a young passionate manager who wants success and I’m not sure the club has the financial clout to match that ambition.
In the short term I'd rather give Wellens the next round of investment money than spend it on a training ground.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:18 pm Do people have a reasonable limit to how much money we should be giving Wellens in order to keep him? What scale of losses should we be comfortable with to fulfill this?
I ask as Wellens will leave at some point in the future, whether cause he keeps succeeding or it goes wrong for him. In either instance, people will talk about the owners ambition or backing being to blame. Yet I don't think anyone has a clue what they think is reasonable. Current losses suggest he is getting backed plenty, the current squad suggest we have largely got recruitment right but stuffed up a key position in January.
What a pedant.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:16 pmOK, from a fair few to some...Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:45 pmNo assumptions. I'm just repeating what the mood was like last November/December. There were some people who thought he should go.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 1:45 pm
Maybe you are making this assumption that 'a fair few' people want Wellens removed because they don't sing his praises as high as you do..
Absolute madness, as I said at the time.
Agree Slade football was attractive, Edinburgh's very dull.
Not to be rude but taking a calculated gamble on short term success vs investment in the clubs long term infrastructure, with all the benefits that would bring financially and sporting wise, would be absolutely crackers.gshaw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 8:55 pmIn the short term I'd rather give Wellens the next round of investment money than spend it on a training ground.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:18 pm Do people have a reasonable limit to how much money we should be giving Wellens in order to keep him? What scale of losses should we be comfortable with to fulfill this?
I ask as Wellens will leave at some point in the future, whether cause he keeps succeeding or it goes wrong for him. In either instance, people will talk about the owners ambition or backing being to blame. Yet I don't think anyone has a clue what they think is reasonable. Current losses suggest he is getting backed plenty, the current squad suggest we have largely got recruitment right but stuffed up a key position in January.
The budget is one thing but getting the signings done to RW standard in quality and speed is something that needs to be improved. Details on what the changes he's asked for are being kept close to their chest so will be interesting to see how things progress over summer.
The Pigott transfer seemed at the time like a late panic signing and it's proved to be an expensive mistake. January again was in RW's words "too slow" so again that's not a monetary thing.
You don't have to dig anything out, and I'm not saying there wasn't anyone wanting him to go. The tone you set was that there was quite a few people that wanted him sacked. Well, I'm saying that I think there was a quite a few in that lot that wouldn't necessarily have wanted him to go but were critical of the man. And because of your fixation with Wellens anything negative said against him you would conveniently interpret as those wanting him out on his ear. In other words there's no middle ground with you.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:21 pmWhat a pedant.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:16 pmOK, from a fair few to some...Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 2:45 pm
No assumptions. I'm just repeating what the mood was like last November/December. There were some people who thought he should go.
Absolute madness, as I said at the time.
Agree Slade football was attractive, Edinburgh's very dull.
There were people - on here and elsewhere - who thought his time was up. Are you disputing that? We can dig out all such posts if you like?
The reason for making that valid point was in relation to the comment that he needed to stay here longer to rebuild his stock after Salford be Doncaster. I was only saying that he’s one bad run of games away here from fans getting on his back again and him getting the sack. It’s always a possibility, so if a big offer did come his way, he’d have to consider it.
I feel a bit bad about it now, but it was an awful performance which pissed me right off.