Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:28 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:01 am As a counter to you and others spouting that we always do business last minute/late crap - you really don't know how transfers work do you if you expect the club to report back after the close season and everything is in place, because most players are not freed from their previous contract until the end of June and many still on holiday.

It's the same crap as people saying we sign players late to save wages - it's absolute poo poo. Ling said something along the lines when a player didn't sign for us and he said at least I've got another weeks wages to play with - Some people are so thick they took it as gospel.

Could you please tell me who signed late before the summer window closed ? - excluding Forde and Cooper who were brought in to cover injuries.

You said our business was completed early when in reality, only Sanders joined before pre season started and only 5 of our 11 signings joined before the Spain tour.

You could arguably have said there are reasons why our business wasn’t completed early, I accept that’s true for some of the signings. But you can’t lie and say our business was completed early when it simply wasn’t.

CEB wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 9:28 am I’d be interested in seeing a comparison across the league of when signings are made/when players are released (especially if somehow there was an indicator of relative importance to the buying/selling team)

It seems to me that no individual club is fully in control of whether business happens early or late, it’s equivalent to a house being part of a chain maybe? but that Orient’s strategic issue is not having a plan B and plan C for when, quite foreseeably, an idea transfer doesn’t happen

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:55 am The question is whether in Ling's words "getting the best deals" is worth the tradeoff in (lack of) match fitness given we seem to run a thin squad with academy players padding out the numbers.

See 2:45 here RW mentions players not being up to speed when signed late



I always say praise when due, criticism when due. Last summer I thought we started it well with Agyei, Sanders, Galbraith but stopped short of what we needed for a strong squad, particularly in the striker area, which has ended up being our weakness again.

This January I actually swallowed the Ling kool-aid thinking RW was fully behind the two youth signings and we'd done miracles getting a fee for Drinan. Richie put that straight the next day and it's clear he wants things done differently going forward. We shall see...

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:54 pm PS if we’re talking league goals that weren’t penalties it’s 189 days

6 months and 7 days

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:51 pm Given the chance to lead the line today and 73 minutes to do something

It has been 130 days since Piggot last scored at all

It has been 147 days since Piggot scored a league goal

This tally will be updated accordingly after each game

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:51 pm Given the chance to lead the line today and 73 minutes to do something

It has been 130 days since Piggot last scored at all

It has been 147 days since Piggot scored a league goal

This tally will be updated accordingly after each game

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:19 am So I will repost this for the third time In doing so I hope Hoover Attack learns something and stops spouting nonsense, I had already posted this in October and Feb.

In reading this please give consideration to the following - Players are usually contracted to thier previous clubs until the end of June. (Sanders signing was actually agreed a day or two in advance of 1/7 because he had already been released from his contract by Lincoln to allow him time to find another club) - So effectively the window is 1st July until end of the second week in September. You can clearly see that Seven of our Eleven signings were brought in during July or within three weeks of their previous contracts at other clubs ending. Forde and Cooper joined later as replacements for Drinan, Agyei and Beckles who were all injured the week before we kicked off at Charlton.

With Galbraith, Sanders and Agyei it's obvious that we had been in discussions with them (as we are allowed to do) for a few weeks to allow us to sign them when we did, With Idris we only found out Ipswich were willing to let him back the day before he resigned.

Think this proves once and for all we did the vast majority of our business early in the window, we can't sign players who are under contract elsewhere.

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Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:50 pm
So I'm reposting this from earlier this season as it is relevant as it disproves the notion that we sign players late - it relates to last summers window. Also the crap that we sign players late to save wages which the same people keep posting.

"So to put this late transfer bullshit to bed:- We Signed:-

1/7 Ethan Galbraith on expiry of his Man U contract a day earlier.
1/7 Dan Agyei on expiry of his Crewe contract a day earlier.
1/7 Max Sanders on expiry of his Lincoln contract a day earlier.
5/7 Idris El Mizouni on loan from Ipswich Town.
6/7 Sam Howes from Wealdstone.
10/7 Sol Brynn from Middlesboro. This was the earliest date M'boro would allow him to join us.
21/7 Joe Pigott from Ipswich on the same day he had his contract at Portman Road ripped up.
1/8 Ed Turns on loan from Brighton 2 days after returning from Brighton's US pre season tournament.
2/8 Jordan Graham who has been talking with other clubs after his release from Birmingham. Wellen's really wanted him.
14/8 Shaq Forde from Watford after they agreed he could join.
1/9 Brandon Cooper on deadline day after injury to Beckles .

First three signed on the first day they officially became free agents, could not have signed any sooner.
El Miz Signed because of his excellent relationship with ML - no-one thought we could get him back but Ling got him.
Sam Howes was a bit left field as signings go.
Sol Brynn signed for us the deal had been in the making for a couple of weeks but Boro wanted him for pre season training before letting him come to us.
Joe Pigot had another season at Ipswich and had to negotiate his release and joined us the day he left Ipswich Town.
Ed Turns signed at the earliest opportunity after Brighton agreed he could return, He was in America with BHA three days prior to signing.
Jordan Graham was speaking to other clubs before we got him we had been talking to him for some time before he made his mind up to come to us.
Shaq Forde not sure how long he was in the pipeline but brought in to cover Agyei and Drinan getting injured.
Brandon Cooper signed on deadline day to give us a fourth centre back as cover.

So 9 of our 11 signing made before the season started Forde and Cooper signed before deadline day was done. It's not that they were signed late but to get decent players in a club like ours needs to be patient because we haven't got a budget to spend money on players - apart from Howes (nominal fee) all our signings were out of contract or loans. We have had terrible luck with injuries early on and it has forced our hand with the Forde and Cooper signings.

We don't put off signing players to save a months wages here and there I'm afraid there are some proper mugs on here who will believe anything, Ling commented last close season that one of our signings had delayed putting pen to paper and at least it had saved the club a months wages it was tongue in cheek but those of a limited IQ are unable to separate this from fact. it was a one off and down to the player not the club"

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:11 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:19 am So I will repost this for the third time In doing so I hope Hoover Attack learns something and stops spouting nonsense, I had already posted this in October and Feb.

In reading this please give consideration to the following - Players are usually contracted to thier previous clubs until the end of June. (Sanders signing was actually agreed a day or two in advance of 1/7 because he had already been released from his contract by Lincoln to allow him time to find another club) - So effectively the window is 1st July until end of the second week in September. You can clearly see that Seven of our Eleven signings were brought in during July or within three weeks of their previous contracts at other clubs ending. Forde and Cooper joined later as replacements for Drinan, Agyei and Beckles who were all injured the week before we kicked off at Charlton.

With Galbraith, Sanders and Agyei it's obvious that we had been in discussions with them (as we are allowed to do) for a few weeks to allow us to sign them when we did, With Idris we only found out Ipswich were willing to let him back the day before he resigned.

Think this proves once and for all we did the vast majority of our business early in the window, we can't sign players who are under contract elsewhere.

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Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:50 pm
So I'm reposting this from earlier this season as it is relevant as it disproves the notion that we sign players late - it relates to last summers window. Also the crap that we sign players late to save wages which the same people keep posting.

"So to put this late transfer bullshit to bed:- We Signed:-

1/7 Ethan Galbraith on expiry of his Man U contract a day earlier.
1/7 Dan Agyei on expiry of his Crewe contract a day earlier.
1/7 Max Sanders on expiry of his Lincoln contract a day earlier.
5/7 Idris El Mizouni on loan from Ipswich Town.
6/7 Sam Howes from Wealdstone.
10/7 Sol Brynn from Middlesboro. This was the earliest date M'boro would allow him to join us.
21/7 Joe Pigott from Ipswich on the same day he had his contract at Portman Road ripped up.
1/8 Ed Turns on loan from Brighton 2 days after returning from Brighton's US pre season tournament.
2/8 Jordan Graham who has been talking with other clubs after his release from Birmingham. Wellen's really wanted him.
14/8 Shaq Forde from Watford after they agreed he could join.
1/9 Brandon Cooper on deadline day after injury to Beckles .

First three signed on the first day they officially became free agents, could not have signed any sooner.
El Miz Signed because of his excellent relationship with ML - no-one thought we could get him back but Ling got him.
Sam Howes was a bit left field as signings go.
Sol Brynn signed for us the deal had been in the making for a couple of weeks but Boro wanted him for pre season training before letting him come to us.
Joe Pigot had another season at Ipswich and had to negotiate his release and joined us the day he left Ipswich Town.
Ed Turns signed at the earliest opportunity after Brighton agreed he could return, He was in America with BHA three days prior to signing.
Jordan Graham was speaking to other clubs before we got him we had been talking to him for some time before he made his mind up to come to us.
Shaq Forde not sure how long he was in the pipeline but brought in to cover Agyei and Drinan getting injured.
Brandon Cooper signed on deadline day to give us a fourth centre back as cover.

So 9 of our 11 signing made before the season started Forde and Cooper signed before deadline day was done. It's not that they were signed late but to get decent players in a club like ours needs to be patient because we haven't got a budget to spend money on players - apart from Howes (nominal fee) all our signings were out of contract or loans. We have had terrible luck with injuries early on and it has forced our hand with the Forde and Cooper signings.

We don't put off signing players to save a months wages here and there I'm afraid there are some proper mugs on here who will believe anything, Ling commented last close season that one of our signings had delayed putting pen to paper and at least it had saved the club a months wages it was tongue in cheek but those of a limited IQ are unable to separate this from fact. it was a one off and down to the player not the club"

It doesnt matter how many times you lie that we completed our business early in the summer, it wont make it true.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:28 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:11 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 10:19 am So I will repost this for the third time In doing so I hope Hoover Attack learns something and stops spouting nonsense, I had already posted this in October and Feb.

In reading this please give consideration to the following - Players are usually contracted to thier previous clubs until the end of June. (Sanders signing was actually agreed a day or two in advance of 1/7 because he had already been released from his contract by Lincoln to allow him time to find another club) - So effectively the window is 1st July until end of the second week in September. You can clearly see that Seven of our Eleven signings were brought in during July or within three weeks of their previous contracts at other clubs ending. Forde and Cooper joined later as replacements for Drinan, Agyei and Beckles who were all injured the week before we kicked off at Charlton.

With Galbraith, Sanders and Agyei it's obvious that we had been in discussions with them (as we are allowed to do) for a few weeks to allow us to sign them when we did, With Idris we only found out Ipswich were willing to let him back the day before he resigned.

Think this proves once and for all we did the vast majority of our business early in the window, we can't sign players who are under contract elsewhere.

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Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:50 pm
So I'm reposting this from earlier this season as it is relevant as it disproves the notion that we sign players late - it relates to last summers window. Also the crap that we sign players late to save wages which the same people keep posting.

"So to put this late transfer bullshit to bed:- We Signed:-

1/7 Ethan Galbraith on expiry of his Man U contract a day earlier.
1/7 Dan Agyei on expiry of his Crewe contract a day earlier.
1/7 Max Sanders on expiry of his Lincoln contract a day earlier.
5/7 Idris El Mizouni on loan from Ipswich Town.
6/7 Sam Howes from Wealdstone.
10/7 Sol Brynn from Middlesboro. This was the earliest date M'boro would allow him to join us.
21/7 Joe Pigott from Ipswich on the same day he had his contract at Portman Road ripped up.
1/8 Ed Turns on loan from Brighton 2 days after returning from Brighton's US pre season tournament.
2/8 Jordan Graham who has been talking with other clubs after his release from Birmingham. Wellen's really wanted him.
14/8 Shaq Forde from Watford after they agreed he could join.
1/9 Brandon Cooper on deadline day after injury to Beckles .

First three signed on the first day they officially became free agents, could not have signed any sooner.
El Miz Signed because of his excellent relationship with ML - no-one thought we could get him back but Ling got him.
Sam Howes was a bit left field as signings go.
Sol Brynn signed for us the deal had been in the making for a couple of weeks but Boro wanted him for pre season training before letting him come to us.
Joe Pigot had another season at Ipswich and had to negotiate his release and joined us the day he left Ipswich Town.
Ed Turns signed at the earliest opportunity after Brighton agreed he could return, He was in America with BHA three days prior to signing.
Jordan Graham was speaking to other clubs before we got him we had been talking to him for some time before he made his mind up to come to us.
Shaq Forde not sure how long he was in the pipeline but brought in to cover Agyei and Drinan getting injured.
Brandon Cooper signed on deadline day to give us a fourth centre back as cover.

So 9 of our 11 signing made before the season started Forde and Cooper signed before deadline day was done. It's not that they were signed late but to get decent players in a club like ours needs to be patient because we haven't got a budget to spend money on players - apart from Howes (nominal fee) all our signings were out of contract or loans. We have had terrible luck with injuries early on and it has forced our hand with the Forde and Cooper signings.

We don't put off signing players to save a months wages here and there I'm afraid there are some proper mugs on here who will believe anything, Ling commented last close season that one of our signings had delayed putting pen to paper and at least it had saved the club a months wages it was tongue in cheek but those of a limited IQ are unable to separate this from fact. it was a one off and down to the player not the club"

It doesnt matter how many times you lie that we completed our business early in the summer, it wont make it true.

No lies in there only facts. You are a completely clueless idiot but we knew that didn’t we I’m trying to help educate you on how transfers work, but honestly you are beyond help.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:55 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:28 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:11 pm

It doesnt matter how many times you lie that we completed our business early in the summer, it wont make it true.

No lies in there only facts. You are a completely clueless idiot but we knew that didn’t we I’m trying to help educate you on how transfers work, but honestly you are beyond help.

Throw in all the personal insults you like. Still doesn’t take away from us not completing our business early, as you falsely claimed.

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:55 am The question is whether in Ling's words "getting the best deals" is worth the tradeoff in (lack of) match fitness given we seem to run a thin squad with academy players padding out the numbers.

See 2:45 here RW mentions players not being up to speed when signed late



I always say praise when due, criticism when due. Last summer I thought we started it well with Agyei, Sanders, Galbraith but stopped short of what we needed for a strong squad, particularly in the striker area, which has ended up being our weakness again.

This January I actually swallowed the Ling kool-aid thinking RW was fully behind the two youth signings and we'd done miracles getting a fee for Drinan. Richie put that straight the next day and it's clear he wants things done differently going forward. We shall see...