Independent Leyton Orient Forum

CEB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:45 pm It’s weird to have a club statement that “we have no place for racism here” when they’ve just signed a player who was released for being racist.

Call me cynical, but it’s unfair and not neutral to ask existing players for their opinion about a signing like that - if the players get the impression that their opinion is immaterial to whether he’s signed, then there’s a bit of contextual pressure there.

Not saying that the guy should under no circumstances be considered for Orient - just that if you’re signing a player who did what he did, you should probably have the balls to admit that it reflects badly on a commitment to being against racism

Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:34 pm

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:28 pm The fact that Simpson starts his interview saying his overriding emotion is relief sort of says it all…he then goes on to talk about how this has affected him rather than the victim. Let’s just hope he isn’t allowed on any team socials or has given up booze

The victim… Give me strength!

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 9:28 pm The fact that Simpson starts his interview saying his overriding emotion is relief sort of says it all…he then goes on to talk about how this has affected him rather than the victim. Let’s just hope he isn’t allowed on any team socials or has given up booze

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:18 pm El Mizoni who is the nearest player to an Indian in our team

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:20 pm

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:18 pm El Mizoni who is the nearest player to an Indian in our team

Absolutely incredible 10/10.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:20 pm

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:18 pm El Mizoni who is the nearest player to an Indian in our team

Absolutely incredible 10/10.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:30 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:20 pm

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:18 pm El Mizoni who is the nearest player to an Indian in our team

Absolutely incredible 10/10.

Jeez. Everyone knows Cyprus is closer to India than Tunisia.

North Stand Dave wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:18 pmEl Mizoni who is the nearest player to an Indian in our team,

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:37 pm
Someone shouts a racial slur at a player. Gets a lifetime ban.

CEB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:34 pm “I have faith in Wellens judgment of character”

Based on what?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:48 pm Don't know of Simpson or what exactly he's done but it seems a bit much to expect him to never play football again if it's over making one racist remark.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:42 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:37 pm
Someone shouts a racial slur at a player. Gets a lifetime ban.

Is that what the club would do?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:48 pm Don't know of Simpson or what exactly he's done but it seems a bit much to expect him to never play football again if it's over making one racist remark.

CEB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:39 pm “Everybody deserves a second chance” is facile bollocks.

This is a guy with no obvious track record of being a particularly good footballer, no history of even playing regularly enough to be considered a reliable player, who has been signed despite a recent instance of pretty shocking racism, which he admitted.

It seems to me unlikely that this signing is worth the trouble

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:37 pm Still, Neptunes Spear will be buzzing…

OyinbO wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:23 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 10:48 pm Don't know of Simpson or what exactly he's done but it seems a bit much to expect him to never play football again if it's over making one racist remark.

Right. So the question becomes “how long should a player be unemployable after an incident of this kind?”

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:24 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 5:39 pm “Everybody deserves a second chance” is facile bollocks.

This is a guy with no obvious track record of being a particularly good footballer, no history of even playing regularly enough to be considered a reliable player, who has been signed despite a recent instance of pretty shocking racism, which he admitted.

It seems to me unlikely that this signing is worth the trouble

It's not 'facile bollocks'. At least give the bloke another chance. I remember being a bit hesitant about the cricketer Ollie Robinson being selected for England after racial abuse. I haven't heard another word about any misdemeanours from him since. Maybe he's learnt the lesson, and maybe, just maybe he's a changed person on the subject of racism.
It's all too easy just to say' 'it's facile bollocks'.

The Voice of Reason wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:46 am If I remember correctly Prince Harry, in addition to wearing a swastika to a party, once called a colleague a "kapi" in quite a derogatory way. I wonder who would describe Harry as a racist now. If I called someone " stupid, fat and ugly, it is pretty insulting but should I be castigated for the rest of my life. We have all done things we regret. When I watched the video I thought, what could he possibly have done? Violent assault, domestic violence, death or injury by drink driving, murder. No none of those, he said one nasty or insulting word to someone because of his background and he was drunk or hungover. He has been punished, so hopefully he has learnt an important lesson and can move on with playing football.