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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:37 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:13 am In answer to the opening post…nothing can be done because it’s now all too late. It’s a mindset that now can’t be undone. It’s only going to carry on or even get worse. Things in society have been allowed to drift away and this is the consequence. Before somebody mentions poverty, we were always skint in the sixties and seventies but you could count the amount of stabbings on one hand for the entire country yearly

Kids are dying let's do nothing.

BUT THAT'S WHATS HAPPENING ....... NOTHING !

It'll upset far to many people if SOMETHING is done

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:34 pm

ChorizO wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:10 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:13 am In answer to the opening post…nothing can be done because it’s now all too late. It’s a mindset that now can’t be undone. It’s only going to carry on or even get worse. Things in society have been allowed to drift away and this is the consequence. Before somebody mentions poverty, we were always skint in the sixties and seventies but you could count the amount of stabbings on one hand for the entire country yearly

Do you think 13 years of a Conservative govt spreading fear, despair and helplessness has anything to do with it?

Knife crime did not stop when Labour were in power for 13 years from 1997.

It can’t be ‘stopped’, but it has got exponentially worse under the Conservatives.

You ignored my question by the way.

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:37 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:13 am In answer to the opening post…nothing can be done because it’s now all too late. It’s a mindset that now can’t be undone. It’s only going to carry on or even get worse. Things in society have been allowed to drift away and this is the consequence. Before somebody mentions poverty, we were always skint in the sixties and seventies but you could count the amount of stabbings on one hand for the entire country yearly

Kids are dying let's do nothing.

BUT THAT'S WHATS HAPPENING ....... NOTHING !

It'll upset far to many people if SOMETHING is done

Well sorry but that's just my opinion . Obviously things will be tried but I doubt anything will be effective . It's too far gone .

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:37 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:13 am In answer to the opening post…nothing can be done because it’s now all too late. It’s a mindset that now can’t be undone. It’s only going to carry on or even get worse. Things in society have been allowed to drift away and this is the consequence. Before somebody mentions poverty, we were always skint in the sixties and seventies but you could count the amount of stabbings on one hand for the entire country yearly

Kids are dying let's do nothing.

Ok Maxy I'm a clown but I bet we're still talking about this issue in ten years time . Sadly I honestly can't see anything changing . Something has gone horribly wrong in society and I doubt anybody knows now how to fix it .

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:11 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:37 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:13 am In answer to the opening post…nothing can be done because it’s now all too late. It’s a mindset that now can’t be undone. It’s only going to carry on or even get worse. Things in society have been allowed to drift away and this is the consequence. Before somebody mentions poverty, we were always skint in the sixties and seventies but you could count the amount of stabbings on one hand for the entire country yearly

Kids are dying let's do nothing.

Ok Maxy I'm a clown but I bet we're still talking about this issue in ten years time . Sadly I honestly can't see anything changing . Something has gone horribly wrong in society and I doubt anybody knows now how to fix it .

It's a long term solution that starts with education and equality in childhood, helping reduce disenfranchisement. The thing is, with a 4 year term and bipartisan politics few political leaders have the balls to push for the required changes.

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:17 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:11 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:37 pm

Kids are dying let's do nothing.

Ok Maxy I'm a clown but I bet we're still talking about this issue in ten years time . Sadly I honestly can't see anything changing . Something has gone horribly wrong in society and I doubt anybody knows now how to fix it .

It's a long term solution that starts with education and equality in childhood, helping reduce disenfranchisement. The thing is, with a 4 year term and bipartisan politics few political leaders have the balls to push for the required changes.

The 15 year old girl was killed on her way to a private school. Her mum is a nurse. What inequality do you mean here?

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:22 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:17 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:11 pm

Ok Maxy I'm a clown but I bet we're still talking about this issue in ten years time . Sadly I honestly can't see anything changing . Something has gone horribly wrong in society and I doubt anybody knows now how to fix it .

It's a long term solution that starts with education and equality in childhood, helping reduce disenfranchisement. The thing is, with a 4 year term and bipartisan politics few political leaders have the balls to push for the required changes.

The 15 year old girl was killed on her way to a private school. Her mum is a nurse. What inequality do you mean here?

And the person that did the stabbing?

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:29 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:22 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:17 pm

It's a long term solution that starts with education and equality in childhood, helping reduce disenfranchisement. The thing is, with a 4 year term and bipartisan politics few political leaders have the balls to push for the required changes.

The 15 year old girl was killed on her way to a private school. Her mum is a nurse. What inequality do you mean here?

And the person that did the stabbing?

No idea, reports saying he was from Uganda. We got to educate people there as well?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:07 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:29 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:37 pm

Kids are dying let's do nothing.

BUT THAT'S WHATS HAPPENING ....... NOTHING !

It'll upset far to many people if SOMETHING is done

Well sorry but that's just my opinion . Obviously things will be tried but I doubt anything will be effective . It's too far gone .

Can we have your suggestions on how to stop knife crime please ?
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Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:04 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:07 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:29 pm
BUT THAT'S WHATS HAPPENING ....... NOTHING !

It'll upset far to many people if SOMETHING is done

Well sorry but that's just my opinion . Obviously things will be tried but I doubt anything will be effective . It's too far gone .

Can we have your suggestions on how to stop knife crime please ?
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I thought I've been saying there isn't any so therefore I have no suggestions .

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:36 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:29 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:22 pm

The 15 year old girl was killed on her way to a private school. Her mum is a nurse. What inequality do you mean here?

And the person that did the stabbing?

No idea, reports saying he was from Uganda. We got to educate people there as well?

Maybe not make knives that reach London from Uganda ?

Ban knives.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:04 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:36 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:29 pm

And the person that did the stabbing?

No idea, reports saying he was from Uganda. We got to educate people there as well?

Maybe not make knives that reach London from Uganda ?

I do not follow, can you elaborate please. The assailant was from Uganda, doubt if knife was.

Issue is this incident did not involve drugs or drill music but the victim helping her friend get her belongings. There do not seem to be any boundaries these days.

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:30 pm

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:04 pm

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:36 pm

No idea, reports saying he was from Uganda. We got to educate people there as well?

Maybe not make knives that reach London from Uganda ?

I do not follow, can you elaborate please. The assailant was from Uganda, doubt if knife was.

Issue is this incident did not involve drugs or drill music but the victim helping her friend get her belongings. There do not seem to be any boundaries these days.

You asked about educating Ugandans & I replied. I assumed you meant the assailant was in Uganda.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:08 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:04 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:07 pm

Well sorry but that's just my opinion . Obviously things will be tried but I doubt anything will be effective . It's too far gone .

Can we have your suggestions on how to stop knife crime please ?
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I thought I've been saying there isn't any so therefore I have no suggestions .

So, the concensus of opinion is that there is no answer, thats all I wanted to know, thank you

chop there hands of

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:08 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:04 pm

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 12:07 pm

Well sorry but that's just my opinion . Obviously things will be tried but I doubt anything will be effective . It's too far gone .

Can we have your suggestions on how to stop knife crime please ?
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I thought I've been saying there isn't any so therefore I have no suggestions .

So, are you admitting you are clueless?

greyhound wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:14 am chop there hands of

Hands of what?

ChorizO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:30 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:08 pm

Neptune's Spear wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:04 pm

Can we have your suggestions on how to stop knife crime please ?
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I thought I've been saying there isn't any so therefore I have no suggestions .

So, are you admitting you are clueless?

No, I'm saying society is because there isn't any answer . Put it this way , what has been tried up until now and why didn't it work ?

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:41 am

ChorizO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:30 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:08 pm

I thought I've been saying there isn't any so therefore I have no suggestions .

So, are you admitting you are clueless?

No, I'm saying society is because there isn't any answer . Put it this way , what has been tried up until now and why didn't it work ?

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Damn. It looks like we failed to answer this one in time. A 16 year old boy was stabbed to death in Edmonton last night.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:31 pm Damn. It looks like we failed to answer this one in time. A 16 year old boy was stabbed to death in Edmonton last night.

Just look at the pattern of things and the answers are there to see.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:41 am

ChorizO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:30 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:08 pm

I thought I've been saying there isn't any so therefore I have no suggestions .

So, are you admitting you are clueless?

No, I'm saying society is because there isn't any answer . Put it this way , what has been tried up until now and why didn't it work ?

You mean tried by the Conservatives, who have been in power for 13 years and caused poverty to grow exponentially across the country.

Thanks for pointing that out.

ChorizO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:03 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:41 am

ChorizO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:30 am

So, are you admitting you are clueless?

No, I'm saying society is because there isn't any answer . Put it this way , what has been tried up until now and why didn't it work ?

You mean tried by the Conservatives, who have been in power for 13 years and caused poverty to grow exponentially across the country.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Can you tell me what Labour did to stop knife crime and poverty between 1997 and 2010 when they were in power for 13 years please as for certain, it still existed.

Loin Cloth Lenny wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:17 am

ChorizO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:03 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:41 am

No, I'm saying society is because there isn't any answer . Put it this way , what has been tried up until now and why didn't it work ?

You mean tried by the Conservatives, who have been in power for 13 years and caused poverty to grow exponentially across the country.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Can you tell me what Labour did to stop knife crime and poverty between 1997 and 2010 when they were in power for 13 years please as for certain, it still existed.

All governments regardless of what partiy have been soft on these drug and knife crimes and it has got worse and will get worse regardless of who is in power because they are too weak to do anything harsh on these criminals.
Firstly look and compile lists of the areas where knife crimes happen the most, then research as to who have been involved in the knife crimes, both victims and perpetrators of the crimes, then bring in stop and search in those areas to look for those carrying knives and also drugs. Those found in possession of knives to be given prison sentences and same goes for those with large amounts of drugs in their possession. No doubt that protests will occur if a stop and search policy is put in place, so most likely it wont happen and the drugs and knife crimes will continue.