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VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are made against an individual through the media rather than the complainants reporting it to the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly prosecuted & convicted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if he's guilty - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are denied by an individual through his TikTok rather than through turning himself into the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly tried and acquitted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if his accusers are lying - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are made against an individual through the media rather than the complainants reporting it to the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly prosecuted & convicted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if he's guilty - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

Joe315 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:52 pm Brand was never my cup of tea. Something about men with hair passed their shoulders , never trust a bloke who doesnt use a barber shop.

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are made against an individual through the media rather than the complainants reporting it to the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly prosecuted & convicted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if he's guilty - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:35 am

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are made against an individual through the media rather than the complainants reporting it to the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly prosecuted & convicted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if he's guilty - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:36 pm Ah, here we are, the Why Don't Women Just Report Stuff To The Police? out in the wild.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:45 am

The Mindsweep wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:35 am

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are made against an individual through the media rather than the complainants reporting it to the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly prosecuted & convicted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if he's guilty - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

How do they calculate ‘rapists’ if they aren’t reported?

VeganO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:59 am

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:36 pm Ah, here we are, the Why Don't Women Just Report Stuff To The Police? out in the wild.

Are you deliberately missing the point? Sorry, I'm one of those pesky lawyers who prefer people to be convicted after a fair Trial in a court than being convicted by public opinion

CEB wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:41 pm

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are made against an individual through the media rather than the complainants reporting it to the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly prosecuted & convicted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if he's guilty - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

Less than 1% of reported rapes result in conviction.
If you think that it’s unreasonable to conclude that the openly misogynistic Brand is a rapist based on the evidence you have access to, then essentially you are advocating de facto decriminalisation of rape.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:32 am It’s interesting how many men think that “due process” means believing an accused rapist until he is convicted, but have no issue with the idea that society should treat instances of rape as if the victim is lying until she successfully gets her rapist convicted.

It’s interesting that the statistics on how many woman who have been raped and havent had justice don’t even make a dent in the idea that there should be no social consequences for men accused of rape, and no weight whatsoever put on publicly available evidence until it’s been heard in a court of law.

I can only conclude that it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Men like that think rape happens a lot less than it does, because they are such useless c***s at recognising how misogynistic society is that no women would ever disclose to them that they had been raped.

VeganO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:06 am

CEB wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:41 pm

VeganO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:18 pm It's extremely concerning that serious sexual allegations are made against an individual through the media rather than the complainants reporting it to the Police. This may of course change.
Unless & until Brand is properly prosecuted & convicted, shame on all those boarders who are behaving as if he's guilty - some of whom think they are particularly clever & yet are showing all the nous of the bloke down the pub.

Less than 1% of reported rapes result in conviction.
If you think that it’s unreasonable to conclude that the openly misogynistic Brand is a rapist based on the evidence you have access to, then essentially you are advocating de facto decriminalisation of rape.

As I've said to PJ I'm looking at this from a due process angle.
It's comforting to know that after all these years, you still post utter tripe dressed up as great insight. ie advocating de facto criminalisation of rape.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:10 am Don’t bother engaging with CEB on a subject like this vegan. He’s basically said (or will in a minute trust me) that if you don’t believe Brand is a Rapist that makes you one despite no trial. P.S. he probably is, I can’t stand him, that’s not the point.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:07 am

VeganO wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:06 am

CEB wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:41 pm


Less than 1% of reported rapes result in conviction.
If you think that it’s unreasonable to conclude that the openly misogynistic Brand is a rapist based on the evidence you have access to, then essentially you are advocating de facto decriminalisation of rape.

As I've said to PJ I'm looking at this from a due process angle.
It's comforting to know that after all these years, you still post utter tripe dressed up as great insight. ie advocating de facto criminalisation of rape.

Out of interest, and I'm not comparing the two men particularly, but do you ever put forward the same argument about Jimmy Savile, a man who, lest we forget, was never convicted of a criminal offence?

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:41 pm Is Monbiot a lefty? Now that Owen Jones is being attacked, I can't keep up with who's in or out nowadays.