Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:12 pm
Have to say I'm slightly surprised that we've gone from a majority seeming to agree that "the death penalty is bad" to tuffers arguing that there should be no penal system whatsoever.
Where have I said that preppie boy ?
In this thread. HTH.
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:24 pm
by tuffers#1
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:21 pm
This thread is truly surreal
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:12 pm
Have to say I'm slightly surprised that we've gone from a majority seeming to agree that "the death penalty is bad" to tuffers arguing that there should be no penal system whatsoever.
Where have I said that preppie boy ?
In this thread. HTH.
No I haven't Prep Boy !
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:26 pm
by Long slender neck
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:21 pm
This thread is truly surreal
You didnt reply to my last post so I guess I've won the argument.
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:27 pm
by Long slender neck
Death penalty or initiate The Purge, there can be no in between.
Harlow wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:21 pm
What a waste of money. And, yes, i do support hanging, modern forensic evidence provides conclusive evidence
Have a look at the countries that currently have the death penalty. Do you seriously believe its a good idea to be aligned with them.
I am not concerned, in this respect, what other countries do. A prisoner costs around £50k per annum, murderers more perhaps, if a life sentence is say 20 years then a murderer costs £1million to keep in prison. So I see the death penalty as both deserved an economically sound. There appears to be around 6000 murderers in prison, so there is a cost of around £300million per annum.
However I wouldn't necessarily execute all murderers. I see a difference between eg a child killer (execute) and a gang murder where both victim and murderer know the potential score
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:50 pm
by CEB
Getting nicely back into Lee from The Office territory. Phew
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:52 pm
by Harlow
Friend or faux wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 9:21 am
Harlow obviously didn't want to bother reading about this awful, awful miscarriage of justice, which happened locally. Obviously felt it would interfere with his toxic, prejudiced viewpoint.
I did read about this apparent miscarriage of justice, I just didn't see any point in opening a case that was 100 years ago. Of course, it is incredibly sad for the lady concerned but who will bear the cost, and who will benefit, the lawyers no doubt.
Perhaps you would also care to explain why my views are toxic and prejudiced in more detail
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:12 pm
Have to say I'm slightly surprised that we've gone from a majority seeming to agree that "the death penalty is bad" to tuffers arguing that there should be no penal system whatsoever.
You know when you took me to task for maintaining I’m OK with the idea that you can be put in prison, and used a miscarriage of justice to argue against it? That implies you don’t agree with any incarceration
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:57 pm
by Harlow
oxo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:24 am
Had an argument with a colleague about this once, and I thought I'd persuade her with 'innocent people will inevitably end up being executed', and she replied 'as long as 9 out of 10 are guilty, I think that's OK'. Had to just leave it.
The price for democracy has involved innocent people suffering and even dying. Take WW2, millions of people died to beat the Nazis
You know when you took me to task for maintaining I’m OK with the idea that you can be put in prison, and used a miscarriage of justice to argue against it? That implies you don’t agree with any incarceration
No it Implies I Wont accept a flawed Judicial system , But thanks for trying to explain on behalf of preppy Jo !
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:02 pm
by CEB
Reasoning isn’t your strong point, is it?
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:06 pm
by Dunners
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Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:10 pm
by tuffers#1
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:02 pm
Reasoning isn’t your strong point, is it?
You are tedious with your attempts to belittle & besmirch others. Just accept sometimes you lose & it will be easier for you to deal with
oxo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:24 am
Had an argument with a colleague about this once, and I thought I'd persuade her with 'innocent people will inevitably end up being executed', and she replied 'as long as 9 out of 10 are guilty, I think that's OK'. Had to just leave it.
The price for democracy has involved innocent people suffering and even dying. Take WW2, millions of people died to beat the Nazis
Would you be happy with a 9 out of 10 'success rate' in terms of correct death penalty convictions?
Harlow:- Couldn't see the point of this case being re-opened. Now, as Edith Thompson was hung 100 years ago, perhaps to some, this looks like the distant murky past. But I am pretty sure, that I have read, that she has near relatives still around ( possibly siblings or cousins ). This is feasible as my mum was born just ten years after Edith, and I am still around. Edith was the eldest of five children
She came from a respectable family, the grand daughter of a policeman. Rather than being involved in the murder, she was a witness to it and in fact was knocked to the ground during the altercation, heard to be saying: Oh don't, oh don't !
This must have been deemed a terrible disgrace on the family, plus an awful lot of distressing information was brought up at her trial. If you read about it. It is truly sickening and smacks of misogyny.
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:02 pm
Reasoning isn’t your strong point, is it?
You are tedious with your attempts to belittle & besmirch others. Just accept sometimes you lose & it will be easier for you to deal with
Tuffers:
“Lol so you’re ok with the idea of prison in society, even if it means YOU might go to one if you’re suspected and charged with a crime?”
Me:
“Yes”
Tuffers:
“Wow, laughable”
PJ
“So you don’t agree with prisons?”
Tuffers:
“Where did you get that idea?”
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:02 pm
Reasoning isn’t your strong point, is it?
You are tedious with your attempts to belittle & besmirch others. Just accept sometimes you lose & it will be easier for you to deal with
Tuffers:
“Lol so you’re ok with the idea of prison in society, even if it means YOU might go to one if you’re suspected and charged with a crime?”
Me:
“Yes”
Tuffers:
“Wow, laughable”
PJ
“So you don’t agree with prisons?”
Tuffers:
“Where did you get that idea?”
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:02 pm
Reasoning isn’t your strong point, is it?
You are tedious with your attempts to belittle & besmirch others. Just accept sometimes you lose & it will be easier for you to deal with
Tuffers:
“Lol so you’re ok with the idea of prison in society, even if it means YOU might go to one if you’re suspected and charged with a crime?”
Me:
I didn’t say I’d be happy about it. I said that I believe due process should apply to me too, and I should be prepared to accept that principle if I advocate for it.
Tuffers
Shows the System is fundamentally wrong then eh. People Accepting Injustice as a meh , oh well moment .
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:52 pm
What is fundamentally flawed about the idea of people being held in prison while
*suspected/charged of a crime
*during an appeal process
*after conviction beyond reasonable doubt but with less than Caca’s “100% proven” bar met
Me
It’s the system we have. Do you not agree with it?
“Wow, laughable”
PJ
“So you don’t agree with prisons?”
Tuffers:
“Where did you get that idea?”
PJ : You Said so
Tuffers No I didnt
Me ( Ceb ) More unsults to tuffers .
Jesus.
Tuffers
Another innocent sentenced to death
We can do this dance as long as you like Ceb
Im happy to , but know i Dont get rattled like Ropes did
Or the others did
Im just passing the time of day until Im dead &
You get to play a very small part in passing that time .
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:47 pm
by CEB
No, R***r is at least self aware enough to be annoyed when realising he’s wrong.
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:50 pm
by tuffers#1
Im not wrong CEB , I therefore dont need to be self aware petal .
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Justice for you .
