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Why do people always bring it back to Corbin?
That's maybe because Tony Blair was a red tory . IMO, it's thanks to Blair that labour lost its dominance in Scotland to the SNP . Following tory policies and sucking up to the EU the way he did turned me away from the Labour Party and the EU at the same time . I now classify myself as a left leaning Brexiteer . Well, nobody could accuse George Galloway of being right wing . The area I live in is cast iron Labour so it doesn't really matter which way I vote at the next election because labour is winning around here regardless . I haven't made up my mind yet which way to vote but it'll be either Labour or Reform party . I''ve never voted Tory in a general election and never will .TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:43 am Tony Sir Tony Blair didn’t get attacked either and he wasn’t former director of public prosecutions, so I don’t think it’s that…
Because to win an election he has to convince a lot of Tories to vote Labour. Duh!E10EU wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:58 am He proudly announced to the national media that he kissed a Tory and that many Tories are his lifelong friends.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... med-labour
Why is he trying to parade as 'Labour' then?
You’ve answered the question ‘Why is he trying to parade as Tory then?’ which is obviously completely different.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:35 amBecause to win an election he has to convince a lot of Tories to vote Labour. Duh!E10EU wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:58 am He proudly announced to the national media that he kissed a Tory and that many Tories are his lifelong friends.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... med-labour
Why is he trying to parade as 'Labour' then?
Whilst supporting workers in struggle is extremely important. It is more important to build a revolutionary party because this side of the socialist revolution, the revolutionaries are a minority.Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:28 pm Of course he's not left wing. He'll be as centre-right as any party leader needs to be to win a general election. But that doesn't mean a Labour government won't be better than a Tory one, as you'll still get some progressive policies.
The real battle by anyone on the economic left is to be fought on the picket lines and in other forms of disobedience.
No he had to convince STUPID ordinary people not to vote T@ry , what the Labour Left always forgets is lots of ordinary People are STUPID & the T@ries play on STUPID peoples FEARS !Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:35 amBecause to win an election he has to convince a lot of Tories to vote Labour. Duh!E10EU wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:58 am He proudly announced to the national media that he kissed a Tory and that many Tories are his lifelong friends.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... med-labour
Why is he trying to parade as 'Labour' then?
Keir Starmer has been on LBC doing his regular ‘Call Keir’ phone-in.
Q: I don’t seen any sense of politicians showing a sense of duty. They should put the country first. Will Labour stand up to the unions and prevent strikes ruining society. President Putin must welcome this.
Starmer said unions did not want to go on strike. The nurses have never held a strike before.
He said it was “bizarre” that the government is refusing to negotiate with the nurses, when they say they are willing to pause their strike if talks resume.
The government are “stitting on their hands”, he says.
For the government to sit this out with two or three days to go, I think shows a profound lack of leadership. We need the government to get around the table.
He said as head of the CPS he had to negotiate with two unions. That is what he did.
Q: Why should people be guaranteed a pay rise every year? If you are in sales, you don’t get that. Putin is rubbing his hands over this.
Starmer said it was very hard to say to nurses they should not get a pay rise. However, he added:
I do accept that what they are asking for is probably more than can be afforded.
You'll get a warning for posting misinformation if you carry on.TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:14 am Good to see Sirkier coming out against the greedy, selfish nurses this morning. Go get 'em, Kizza!
Despite being underpaid for probably decades, 19% doe seem like fantasy.He said 19% was “more than can be afforded by the government”.
Blimey - he might as well chuck it in now if you enforce that rule.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:23 amYou'll get a warning for posting misinformation if you carry on.TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:14 am Good to see Sirkier coming out against the greedy, selfish nurses this morning. Go get 'em, Kizza!
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:47 am True, we can never want anything better and our political parties from all sides of the spectrum (far right to centre right) should only tell us that we can eat sh*t and smile about it otherwise we're childish idealists.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/k ... r-AA15aliALong slender neck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:23 amYou'll get a warning for posting misinformation if you carry on.TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:14 am Good to see Sirkier coming out against the greedy, selfish nurses this morning. Go get 'em, Kizza!
If I thought there was any chance this was a charade, and once in power he would give the nurses a proper pay rise, then yeah. But he won't.CEB wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:40 am But also - even if he thinks 19% is achievable and proportionate, saying so right now would briefly assuage the people who are already going to vote for him, while making him vulnerable to the whims of those who will only vote for him if they consider him credible.
It’s grotty and grubby but it’s how it is. Again, I really don’t see how left wing people who had a left wing Labour Party can’t see why it’s a necessary approach. I don’t like it, and ideally I’d want a government that was as if tailored to my beliefs and positions, but reality clashes with that at some point. I’d rather we deal with reality now, rather than get to the point where we’re shocked that Labour lose again.